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[MrsJD]

Morning ladies, I've absolutely had enough, quick bit of history as posted on newbie page a few weeks ago 55 years old, Post Meno, in Sept last year 3rd Mirena was removed which I had been using Elleste Solo Patches 40 with and I went on Femseven Conti patches and was allergic to the adhesive in Patches, then tried Femoston Conti and felt absolutely dreadful, very low mood, hardly any sleep at all so today I have gone back onto Elleste Solo Patches and Utrogestan 100mg continuous'  I am day 23 of Utrogestan 100mg/Elleste Solo Patches and feel as if my life is over.  I am lucky to get about 2 hours sleep a night, in tears most days for no reason in particular or on the verge of tears, constant feeling of impending doom, convinced I have some terminal illness, 10lb weight gain in a month, itchy.crawling sensation on skin, joint pain, the list goes on.  How can I go from a normal functioning human being in Sept to a jittery, anxious wreck today.  I phoned surgery this morning and was offered an appointment for 15th Feb, I tried to explain that I needed to see or at least speak to GP today she was having none of it, in tears, I emailed GP and he replied straight away and I'm going to see him later today.  Could the Utrogestan be the reason I feel so dreadful, is there another combo that I could try that I could suggest to GP later? I am willing to try anything at the mo that allows me to at least feel kind of normal.  I started a new job a few weeks ago, completed the 7 day training course and worked 2 days and then had to call in sick as I just feel so dreadful, I just want my life back 

[Justjules]

Morning Mrs JD - sounds like you're having a really rough time of it.  I can't help with the HRT stuff as I don't take it but I'm sure somebody will be along to advise and as you will see, you are certainly not alone in feeling like this. 

x

[dazned]

Sorry you are feeling so wretched 

Could you not go back to your old regime which you were settled with ?

[MrsJD]

Thank you Justjules.

dazned I am hoping that if my GP cannot offer anything to improve how I'm feeling he will refer me back to hospital re the Mirena although he did suggest it could be that I'm Progesterone intolerant and a hysterectomy might be the answer, I have been fighting against a hysterectomy since I was 28 but I think I would quite cheerfully go for the op this morning just to feel well again 

[orchid]

Bless you! Mrs J D you have just described me to a t! I'm 57 post menopause and having a bad time. Just watched sixth sense on TV and cried buckets! Can cry at the drop of a hat, anxiety depression.
I am 3 weeks back on an anti-depressant I came off at the end of July last year. I stopped them as I thought they were making my palpitations worse. Anyway, long story short, after trying another two types of which made me worse or didn't help and sent me into crisis mode I'm back on Dosulepin an old trycyclic. What I really want to tell you though, I have been on hrt in the past and have decided to go back on to see if it helps. I saw professor Stud on Harley St and he gave me bio identical Oestrogel. You will find a lot written about it on here. He also gave me Northesterone of which I only took 2.5mg for 5 days (supposed to be once month) but I would take every two to three month to give me a bleed. It worked wonders! I was on AD as well. So that's my regime I'm going to continue on in an effort to get my life back on track. I hope this helps...believe me I know what you're going through. I'm getting counselling and cbt now too, but I've had to plead for help. Take care X

[orchid]

Just to add! I am progesterone intolerant that is why I took the smallest dose of 2.5mg for only 5 days. On scan my womb lining was fine.

[dazned]

The progesterone in the mirena is contained to the womb so not going into your system like external progesterone does. You seemed to be ok before on mirena .......if it aint broke 

[MrsJD]

Bless you! Mrs J D you have just described me to a t! I'm 57 post menopause and having a bad time. Just watched sixth sense on TV and cried buckets! Can cry at the drop of a hat, anxiety depression.
I am 3 weeks back on an anti-depressant I came off at the end of July last year. I stopped them as I thought they were making my palpitations worse. Anyway, long story short, after trying another two types of which made me worse or didn't help and sent me into crisis mode I'm back on Dosulepin an old trycyclic. What I really want to tell you though, I have been on hrt in the past and have decided to go back on to see if it helps. I saw professor Stud on Harley St and he gave me bio identical Oestrogel. You will find a lot written about it on here. He also gave me Northesterone of which I only took 2.5mg for 5 days (supposed to be once month) but I would take every two to three month to give me a bleed. It worked wonders! I was on AD as well. So that's my regime I'm going to continue on in an effort to get my life back on track. I hope this helps...believe me I know what you're going through. I'm getting counselling and cbt now too, but I've had to plead for help. Take care X

Thank you Orchid, I wondered if maybe I was also depressed and needed an AD alongside hrt, never suffered with depression so not sure if the symptoms are similar to menopause, maybe I need to suggest to GP that a short dose of progesterone might be the way to go, roll on 5pm so that I can hopefully draw up a plan of action with GP and attempt to get some normality back in my life x

[MrsJD]

The progesterone in the mirena is contained to the womb so not going into your system like external progesterone does. You seemed to be ok before on mirena .......if it aint broke 

Thanks dazned, that does make sense, never had no issues with Mirena at all.

[Winterose]

Its really hard trying to get all this sorted but you will get it all back under control , even when it seems to be going swimmingly you suddenly find another sleepless run of nights sets in and that makes all the other symptoms much worse, however I still too wish for the me I was before .  This is just to say dont give up and keep us posted

[MrsJD]

Its really hard trying to get all this sorted but you will get it all back under control , even when it seems to be going swimmingly you suddenly find another sleepless run of nights sets in and that makes all the other symptoms much worse, however I still too wish for the me I was before .  This is just to say dont give up and keep us posted

Thank you Winterose 

[Clovie]

Awww hello there, MrsJD, you sound so fed up. 
I sympathise with you totally, I really do. There's a bunch of threads from a few of us right now, all feeling much the same. I'm the same , lovely home, fantastic husband, great kids (even if typical teens) financially comfortable, lots of exciting holidays booked, relatively good health..... WHAT on earth is wrong with me???    You're not on your own.

Keep posting on here, I've found it has helped over the last hellish week.
Before all this started I had no idea about menopause. I thought your periods stopped over a period of about 6 months and you might get hot flushes, you might feel a bit 'down' because you couldn't have any more children.  That was it.

No-one told me about all the all consuming anxiety, the for-no-reason depression, the sleeplessness,  joint aches, and assorted other goodies which accompany this time of our lives. What an eye opener. More needs to be done for ladies like us, it needs to be taken off the taboo list once and for all. 

Anyhoo, just wanted to sympathise and say you're NOT alone x

 
 

[MrsJD]

Awww hello there, MrsJD, you sound so fed up. 
I sympathise with you totally, I really do. There's a bunch of threads from a few of us right now, all feeling much the same. I'm the same , lovely home, fantastic husband, great kids (even if typical teens) financially comfortable, lots of exciting holidays booked, relatively good health..... WHAT on earth is wrong with me???    You're not on your own.

Keep posting on here, I've found it has helped over the last hellish week.
Before all this started I had no idea about menopause. I thought your periods stopped over a period of about 6 months and you might get hot flushes, you might feel a bit 'down' because you couldn't have any more children.  That was it.

No-one told me about all the all consuming anxiety, the for-no-reason depression, the sleeplessness,  joint aches, and assorted other goodies which accompany this time of our lives. What an eye opener. More needs to be done for ladies like us, it needs to be taken off the taboo list once and for all. 

Anyhoo, just wanted to sympathise and say you're NOT alone x

 
 

Thank you Clovie, I made the big mistake of thinking I was sailing through the menopause and now I feel ........I can't even articulate how I feel.  Like you I have so much to look forward to, moving house, which is something I have wanted to do for a long time, new baby grandson, big family holiday in Florida and daughter getting married whilst we are there, new job, no money worries etc and yet it feels like there is no joy in my life and I'll never be happy again, I cannot believe how quickly my whole outlook on life has changed.  There definitely should be more available to us, if I hadn't found this site I would've thought I was going mad xx

[Clovie]

Some ladies DO sail through don't they? How lucky are they!!!  So envious!

Nice to have things to look forward to isn't it? We do need to keep looking on the positive side, don't we!    Moving house is exciting, awww, a new baby, and Florida! (Oh I just LOVE Florida, we go every year! It's our happy place!  ) 

[Mary G]

MrsJD, sorry you are having such a bad time but I think I know why.  I think you are taking too much progesterone (Utrogestan) and it is undermining the good work that the oestrogen does and lowering your mood.  You may not be intolerant to progesterone per se but like many women, intolerant to such huge quantities of it - this is far more than you would be producing yourself if you were still menstrating.

I would strongly recommend you change medication and would urge you to ask you doctor for the Oestrogel starting with 2 pumps every day.  The gel is more flexible because you can adjust the dose and I find it to be far more effective than the patches.

I also think you need to change the way you use Utrogestan.  I would suggest you use oestrogen only for a month and then use 100mg Utrogestan for 7 days and see how you react to it but try to use it vaginally, it works far better when used in that way and has fewer side effects.  When taken in smaller quantities, Utrogestan is much easier to tolerate and if you find it works better, you can always take more of it the following month. 

Good luck with the doctor and please let us know how you get on.