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[honeybun]

We go ahead.....otherwise they win.

Not a great idea.


Honeybun
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[CLKD]

We won  ………… 2-0

[Joyce]

Life has to go on, otherwise they've won. However, I can understand peoples worries. My hubby had to fly to London day after 9/11. I wasn't happy, but he said safest time to go.

[Dana]

ISIS are coming after everyone that's not a Muslim.


Honeybun
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We can't become an "us and them" state. This is one our (Aussie) television presenters Waleed Aly (who himself is a Muslim, a political lecturer and a lawyer) giving his editorial about ISIL. It made me cry when I watched it. It's now gone viral around the world. People need to see this. We can't be suckered into turning on Muslims or seeing them as "different" or not part of "us". That's exactly what ISIL wants us to do.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXUZjyZVj6s

[honeybun]

I have never considered it being a them and us situation when it came to ordinary normal Muslim people. But it is a them and us situation with ISIS. These are not normal people, they want to take Muslims back to old testament times and will carry on targeting the west until they are stopped or contained in some way.
There is s huge difference between a Muslim and a radicalized Muslim.

Honeyb

[Pennyfarthing]

I have never considered it being a them and us situation when it came to ordinary normal Muslim people. But it is a them and us situation with ISIS. These are not normal people, they want to take Muslims back to old testament times and will carry on targeting the west until they are stopped or contained in some way.
There is s huge difference between a Muslim and a radicalized Muslim.

Honeyb

You're right.  ISIS warned us that they would infiltrate our country and wouldn't stop until they took control.   We can't say we weren't warned.

[honeybun]

The first refugees arrived in Scotland yesterday.
I know someone who has them in the flat below hers.
Unfortunately it has caused a lot of ill feeling as the flat was being converted for a disabled person then the disabled person was told they could no longer have it.
6 adults and two children are now in a two bed flat  . It's a very deprived area with high unemployment so not much chance of work unfortunately.
I also am very surprised that they are being settled on the Island of Bute. There is absolutely no work there at all.
Surely the point is to integrate the refugees into local society, but by housing them in deprived areas with high unemployment helps no one at all.
It would seem that the Scottish government haven't thought this one through.


Honeyb
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[Pennyfarthing]

The first refugees arrived in Scotland yesterday.
I know someone who has them in the flat below hers.
Unfortunately it has caused a lot of ill feeling as the flat was being converted for a disabled person then the disabled person was told they could no longer have it.
6 adults and two children are now in a two bed flat  . It's a very deprived area with high unemployment so not much chance of work unfortunately.
I also am very surprised that they are being settled on the Island of Bute. There is absolutely no work there at all.
Surely the point is to integrate the refugees into local society, but by housing them in deprived areas with high unemployment helps no one at all.
It would seem that the Scottish government haven't thought this one through.


Honeyb
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It's most odd.  You couldn't get anywhere more isolated really.  We stayed in a very tiny village in a remote part of Scotland once and we got stared at every time we ventured out.  It was like a scene from Deliverance!   

They're expecting them to integrate but with whom?  there's hardly anybody there and very few jobs.  These families are large with 6 or 7 people so realistically only one parent can even look for work. 

I wonder whether there's some ulterior motive for putting them on Bute but I can't work out what that is ..... Yet.

[Taz2]

No mention of employment from what I can see but it does seem that these people will receive a warm welcome from a lot of residents. I can't imagine what it must be like to arrive somewhere with nothing having left behind good jobs, houses, schools, family and to have lived in fear for a lot of years. There is no easy solution to all of this but I hope that they settle and finally feel safe http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-34855250

Taz x

[CLKD]

We have a migrant thread 

[Taz2]

Yes - but this was to do with the ongoing comments on here, I think, about how the refugees may have been infiltrated by ISIS. Will post my post on the migrant thread too!

Taz x

[CLKD]

 

[CLKD]

I don't read much not even in the mainstream news.  It is what it is 

[Dorothy]

A week on, I've been doing a lot of reading around the alternative media sites on the web and watching various You Tube vids. There's a lot of very thought provoking (to say the least!) stuff out there.

Does anyone else like reading outside the mainstream? What do you make of what you've discovered?

I tend to rely on reports from people I know - I'm very sceptical of reporting from any media source as everyone has a particular viewpoint to promote.  I have friends in several troubled spots around the world and I am always interested by the difference between their accounts and the ones I hear from the media.

[CLKD]

It makes me cross that now the Governments across Europe are taking these issues seriously.  After 9/11 security should have been uppermost …….. we shouldn't be told that extra security is in place, it should have been there 

At a time when the UK Government are amalgamating Police Forces/Fire Service and Ambulance Crews across the country means we have less people keeping us safe, higher response times etc..    It's OK for the Government, they are kept safe where ever …….

We should never have built the Chunnel, I said at the time that we are an Island for a reason and that all those who lost their Lives in the two World Wars were wasted but did anyone listen  My Grandad would turn in his Grave.