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CLKD

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E U Referendum
« on: June 02, 2015, 11:41:35 AM »

Initially I voted to remain 'out'.  Although I believe that Edeward Heath had signed too many papers before the referendum for us not to be part of the Common Market.

Now I think we are too far 'in' to come out …….. I would like to see Local Government, i.e. non-powers from Westminster for those issues that could be sorted by our Local Councils.  As it was ……….. currently there have been 2 building issues signed from Westminster as a 'yes' when locals wanted a 'no', including HS2.  Those that sign the 'yes' against what locals would like should be forced to live in the region affected!

I hope that David Cameron will work some majic to sort issues ………. so that the UK has more say in what happens in Strasbourg  ;)
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Dulciana

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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2015, 12:03:05 PM »

My heart rules my head on this one, I'm afraid.  I feel European, down to my toes.
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Re: E U Referendum
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2015, 12:45:35 PM »

I am English  ;)

My forebears fought to keep this an Island ……… would love to go back far enough to see where I originate though.
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2015, 01:25:54 PM »

If Cameron can renegotiate a much better deal for us then I would vote to stay in.

If he can't then I will vote to leave. We should be able to make our own decisions as to the likes of immigration and the benefits they get for example. There are so many rediculous petty rules and regulations that come from Brussels. Unfortunately the British follow the rules to the letter whereas  the French and Germans just ignore what they choose to.

As for being governed by local councillors, heaven help me, no way. I know some of them and wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.


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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2015, 01:33:34 PM »

I'm part-Scottish and part-English but feel that to be within a European context and I don't want to lose that.  Must have a lot to do with my great-great-great (I think!) grandparents being French, I think.   I love the diversity of Europe and I hate being separated from them by a body of water.   
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Re: E U Referendum
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2015, 01:44:43 PM »

How much to immigrants 'get' though?  Don't believe all you read in the Nationals but go to a Food Bank or place where immigrants stay.  Talk to those dealing with these issues at the coal face as it were.
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honeybun

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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2015, 01:55:08 PM »

They do get tax benefits at a much greater rate than in other EU countries.

I have absolutely no problem with immigration, but would like Britain to adopt the same policy as Australia. You have to have a job to be allowed to go and live there and that job will have been open to Australians first. If the post cannot be filled then a person from another country can apply.

Britain just can't maintain this. Why do you think so many want to come here.....it's our benefits system.
I think we should be allowed to cap numbers coming to this country and also bring our benefits for those who do come into line with Germany and France who pay a lot less than we do.

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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2015, 03:26:21 PM »

But what do 'they' get when the arrive  :-\ - whether is't more or less than mainland Europe - if they land there that's where they should remain.

The UK has had incomers since God was a Lad, either who remain or who land and sail on to the US .
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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2015, 03:28:29 PM »

Well I don't think most are coming for the weather CLKD  ;D


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Re: E U Referendum
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2015, 03:30:50 PM »

Most of those who I have met int he last 10-15 years have been here to work - usually Students earning their money to go through University.  Or to send home for their parents to buy more land on which they then return to work in order to put food on the family table.  A couple were here to learn yet more languages  ::) - 1 spoke Russian, French and English and wanted to learn German, Mandarin - she was from Latvia  ::) married to an Englishman ……. crikey, it's all I can do to get out of bed each morning  ;D
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2015, 03:56:00 PM »

I think trading will be affected badly with others if we withdraw. 

I do feel that those entering the UK should have guaranteed jobs and be unable to claim benefits until they have been here a few years. 
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« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2015, 04:06:19 PM »

I'm with Dulciana. I've lived in France for 2 years and loved it. I'll vote to stay in and will campaign too stay in too (although in London, most people will vote yes anyway).
I feel that we are a little island and can't realistically be isolationist, so have to choose an alliance with either our European neighbours, divided by a tiny bit of water you can cross in 35 mins by train (thousands of years ago the Thames was a tributary of the Rhine!), or the USA where we are a very junior partner and following their economic and foreign policies hasn't been the best idea around. Going it alone these days, faced with China, Russia etc isn't viable imho.

As for benefits, there's no reason in EU Law why we can't stay in and tighten up benefits for EU migrants to the UK. France for eg - you can't get their NHS for 5 years. I can't just go there and get unemployment benefit. I used to be able to about 10 years ago, but they tightened up.
I also think introducing an enforceable minimum wage would stop migrants taking jobs for less money. Nothing in EU law blocks that, but business doesn't like it for obvious reasons, so it doesn't happen. It's not "Brussels'" fault.

If you're outside, you're also bound by regulations that you have no control over when it comes to trade.
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Re: E U Referendum
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2015, 06:06:43 PM »

And what is there if we say goodbye to the EU?
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Dulciana

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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2015, 06:10:09 PM »

Quite.
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« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2015, 06:44:10 PM »

In the beginning there was the EEC - an Economic Community. That seemed fair enough.

I have a concern with the EU of being controlled by people we can't vote out (more of that later), well that, and the EU books never having been balanced.

The immigration issue is a concern, it's a numbers thing, nothing to do with where people are from, it really isn't. This is small piece of land, we haven't got the resources for, roads, houses, schools and hospitals for lots of people.

So, back to here, the politicians who've just been voted in here, have just said that the GPs must provide 7 day a week   ??? cover with no extra money

I give up  ::)

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