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[Maryjane]

You will have what comes under the heading " vulvodynia" have you tried external coal oestrogen also?

[Annie0710]

GROIN was the word I wanted! My brain is frazzled.  It's where the knicker line for legs is, surely this is menopause related as I've only had this onset at the same time has VA ?

Either way, it's crying out for attention lol

Annie xx

[Hurdity]

Ooer not sure about putting estriol on that bit?! It doesn't really count as the part of the vagina. By external areas I was meaning the bits where the vagina itself open out and joins to the labia - the outer but really - not the surrounding normal skin.  It could be that menopausal issues ie lack of oestrogen - which causes the skin to become thinner - has made this area (ie the top of thigh) also thinner and more sensitive to clothes rubbing etc? Not sure what to suggest really except where loose skirts and no nix around the house and of course nothing in bed!

Hurdity x

[Annie0710]

Oh Hurdity I am nix less in bed, and get in my cotton onesie straight after work (unless I'm going somewhere )

Challenging times, but hopefully a nice miracle cream from the docs will help (unless they're too afraid to prescribe me anything else)!

Annie xx

[Maryjane]

I never wear pants 24/7 unless my period just long skirts makes a huge difference......there are our silk pants you can buy they are actually available on prescription I havnt tried them but they have a good reputation.

[Suzi Q]

I wear only knickers withj COTTON gussets yes they cost a bit more to buy pretty knickers
That are lacy etc but have pure cotton undercarriage but too me its worth it
Like Bras Im 34F I buy 2 at a time they are fitted and cost a lot (credit card) but I wont relent.
I have 3 Bras 2 white 1 black and a couple of Genie Bras for the house they last about 6mnths
Then I rebuy I get refitted again same with knickers I have 5 white 2 black and a few cheap cotton ones
\I wear Poise Panty Liners 2 a day to keep clean nice and soft no perfume just plain.
I tried to use the Ovestin on the outside and considering I used Ovestin for 10 years I was stunned
To find it burnt me or irritated me and Id used it inside and out for all that time till it failed
I went on to Vagifem 2/25m a week since 2010 Ive done 2 reloads in that time
My bits aches sometimes especially if my IBS acts up other than that its not too bad mostly

[ancient runner]

Annie, you poor lady. Just wondering if the undercarriage problems are somehow related to your original prolapse rather than hormone problems? Is something else prolapsing, or pushing on a nerve maybe?
I used to wear stockings and suspenders when I had constant cystitis - with a longish skirt, no need for knickers. Let the air get to the parts, as they used to say...

[Annie0710]

Ancient Runner

I can only go by my feeling
The skin to each side of the vagina (groin) changed the same time everything else did a few months back, I bought cotton knickers from next thinking it was the underwear but no difference, I bought slouch trousers for work so everything's breathable, no difference, it has to be where the vagifem isn't reaching, vulva sometimes get itchy but for the most part I put that down to hair removal too

I feel like a man as all I want to do is scratch and rearrange that area lol

The skin became loose there so that's also what makes me think hormones

Annie xx

[Suzi Q]

Do you mean the skin theres loose on the outside not plump if so thats hormones or lack of
Make sure the Vagifems going in high enough up to the line on the aplicator.
If you keep yourself tidy down there USE scissors only I can almost guarrantee next day u will be sore
Everytime I tidy up down there liek to keep them very short all the way to my Bottom area its cleaner
I can guarrantee next day Fanny sore its the pulling and poking around
The scratching is CLASSIC ATROPHY it was my very forst SYMPTOM in 2008 I had been gardening
I thought id been bitten nope it was the start of Vaginal Atrophy I should have got help there and then
I didnt I left it till feb 2010 by then my bits had shrunk unimaginably Im almost like a child down there

[Annie0710]

Yes the skin is looser
Yes I've shrunk down there but sex is getting more comfy now I'm using vagifem but haven't yet gone to 2x weekly and doubt I will, I want results and I think the only way I'll get them is more than 2x10mcg weekly, I took Hurdity's advice and double up.  Yeah I  am putting it up right to the top

Well, re hair removal, I do the old landing strip, really cannot bear being untidy down there

I think I left VA for a long time, id never heard of it and losing my libido things slowed down in that dept and I kept blaming OH for tearing me and thought the recurrent uti's was my bladder packing up, I really had no idea I'm embarrassed to say , only ever see my dear old nans vaginal area when I was nursing her before her death (she was 85) and mine looked identical !!!


Annie xx

[Suzi Q]

Love me too id never heard VA I  thought the change was hot flushed moodieness and loss of periods
No way could I ever imagine the loss of my moistness or libido or the ache and rawness ache 24/7
To me it was like a suction down there constant ache sore pain in my thighs inner I couldnt sit down
My Bartholin glands were swollen huge red raw and pee I could pee for Ozz and Britain 23 times 1 day!
And tell you what we had a womens hour with the ULY motor bike club KNOWONE had ever heard of VA
Yet when pressed over half of the women said thats what I have it must be it sounds the same.
3 women plucked up courage and with in 72hrs were given Vagifem with in a month 100% better
Except for peeing that takes longer to workcos u take a longer time to TRUST it cos peeing was so bad
Off I go finally to the GP with the 4 month NAGGING of my saviours Taz CLKD Woofy and a few others
First words were do NOT give me an internal Im likely to kick u in the face being my GP then for 20yrs
He knew me well enough he just looked and said OH god u poor buggar and gave me Vagifem
I started it with terror Valentines day 2010 and with in 3 aplications the sucking feeling the aching gone
It got better as everyday went on Bartholin gland I looked in my 2010 Diary cooled and shrank
Thats when I got to the TRUE state of my vanishing bits which Ive said before was all my fault
I should have gone to GP in May 2008 when it really HIT and NEVER EASED OFF for one day
I nursed for years and to be honest didnt rememeber still cant Keep on Keeping on find the dose 4 u x

[Annie0710]

When I mentioned to doc last week on the phone I'm doing 4xweek he said no! Only twice, I said it's not enough but he was adamant so I'm sneakily doing it and just hope they don't cotton on when I put my repeat script in too early !

Alright for someone not suffering to go by the book, let them try having it for a week ! Then we'd be offered every hormone under the sun lol

Annie xx

[Dancinggirl]

Annie0710
You could try the Estring as it gives a higher dose consistently - the GP may not like this as it does cost a bit more. I found the Estringe irritated less as there weren't the fillers you get with Vagifem and oestrogen creams.
Alternatively ask to be referred to a specialist uro/gynae on the basis that the ongoing pain only improves with a higher dose local oestrogen and you need advice on how to manage this.  I think many GPs are very reluctant to go off license in case this causes problems. I went for a private consult with gynae and my GP is happy to follow their instructions.  DG x

[Annie0710]

I can't find what it's made of
I'm latex allergic



Annie xx

[ancient runner]

Damn, Annie, I binned my old Estring packet last week - I could have checked for you!
They have a v fancy website - info may be hidden there somewhere.