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[moonbeam121167]

Evening all, can anyone help, I have been on Estradot 100mg plus 2mg of Zumeron now for a few weeks and noticing terrible mood swings,  I was on 4mg of Zumeron pills before that and was fine except for headaches , so I went on the Estradot 100mg but found it was not enough all the meno symptoms started to creep back and the GP refuses to increase the patch so I had to add the 2mg pill and it has stopped all the meno symptoms but I have noticed real bad mood swings, headaches are also still lingering,  do anyone  think it could be the patches that could be causing them as I am at my wits end, just feel like I want to kill someone, please help xx

[TropicalVon69]

I felt like this too on elleste Moonbeam.....bloody awful isn't it.....I've stopped taking hrt for the moment as couldn't take any more.....I just wanted to hurt everyone, family included....very scary and distressing...?..hope it passes quickly for you xxx

[Taz2]

Hi moonbeam. Don't you feel that  maybe the high level of oestrogen is causing the mood swings? From what I have read it appears that oestrogen dominance gives rise to bad pmt symptoms? Are you also using a progesterone?

Taz x

[moonbeam121167]

I was 4mg pills for ages and didn't have the mood swings, just headaches,  I changed to the 100mcg patches cause of the headaches but it wasn't enough, causing meno symptoms again and the doctor would not allow me to double the patch said I will have to add 2mg of pill, this last week feeling really moody, want to cry, plus still having headaches, just dont know what to do anymore, don't know whether to try adding half a patch but only have a box,  go back on the pills, put up with the headaches and maybe try the Amitrypline  which the GP gave me, really all I want is to get this right once and for all x

[honeybun]

You really do seem to be on a huge amount of oestrogen.

Sometimes it's almost impossible to eradicate all meno symptoms. It comes down to trying to manage some of them, improving others and putting up with the rest.
It's not an ideal situation but one which a lot of us find ourselves in.

I think I have suggested before that you stop everything for a very short while, let your body settle and then start again. That way you would have a much clearer idea of what is causing what including your headaches.
Might not be the ideal situation but you really shouldn't add in anymore to an already confused body.
Back to basics and then try again to find the minimum amount that gives you reasonable symptom control without all the side effects that you currently have.


Honeyb
x

[Taz2]

If it was a consultant who prescribed the 4mg of oestrogen then I would suggest that you should contact them to ask advice? You could speak to the secretary I'm sure. Are you also on progesterone or have you had a hysterectomy?

As regards the headaches - have you been offered a course of physiotherapy? I realise that they could be hormonal but sometimes there are underlying neck or shoulder problems which can cause horrible headaches and nausea.

Also, did you have relief when you were on the amitryp?

Taz x

[Hurdity]

Hi moonbeam

You do still seem to be having problems. Did you still have headaches on the patches alone or was it just that the flushes etc kept re-appearing, which is why you needed to increase the dose?

I remember saying in an earlier post it would have been better to have increased the patch slightly a bit at a time over several weeks rather than suddenly increase (but taking a tablet) - ie from 100 mcg to 100 mcg + 25 mcg - or else change to gel? If your headaches improved on the lower dose of oestrogen and the patches and have re-appeared with the extra tablets then your doc should listen to this and try the only other option ie increasing the patch dose.

Also the problem with high doses sometimes is that some women become sensitive to a reduction in dose which makes it difficult to go from a very high dose to a lower one without getting symptoms again.

If you are getting mood swings could this still be a reaction to your op (can't remember when you had it) - normally hormonal mood swings do not occur once you have reached menopause. Tablets can cause daily fluctuations which I understand can give rise to side-effects.

Hurdity x

[moonbeam121167]

Hurdity,

I had my OP on the 27th Dec 2013, I felt ok on 4mg of pills but the headaches were really bad, my headaches I think weren't too bad on just the 100mcg patch it was just the meno symptoms that were creeping back, went back to GP and he said can not have any larger patch will have to add the pills, but the headaches are horrible and now having real bad mood swings, I just want to get on with my life fed up with this, thought I have nearly a full packet of patches I will on Thursday put a patch and a half on and continue on with that, what do you think, or do you have any suggestions.  The only thing about putting a patch and half on will the GP give me extra !!

[honeybun]

I don't think its sensible to self medicate. You should speak to your GP first before you add in more oestrogen.


Honeybun
X

[Taz2]

I agree with honeybun.  I feel you should not add any extra in before getting professional advice.

Taz x

[moonbeam121167]

I am currently taking Estradot 100mcg and 2mg of Zumenon pill because the GP said I can't have a larger dose of the patch, for which I knew but wanted add maybe half a patch but he said no.  The headaches are horrible and now the mood swings , so thats why I thought I would stop the pill and try half a patch instead and try it until I run out which is 2 weeks and see and hope it will help then I can go back to my GP.

[honeybun]

Sorry, I'm a bit confused. Are you going to be cutting down or adding extra. I thought from what you said it was extra.

It could well be the really large amount of oestrogen that's causing your headaches. You will absorb far more from a patch than a pill.
Please be careful about adding extra if that's what you meant.


Honeyb
x

[moonbeam121167]

I was originally on estradot 100mcg but the consultant said I needed more and to double the dose, the GP wouldnt increase the patch and added the pill, so I was on Estradot 100mcg and 2mg of Zumenon, felt good except for the headaches, went back to GP for a review and he said to come off the patches and take 4mg of pills and also told me to try Amitrypline,  I hated the side effects of the Amitrypline and came off it but the headaches were still bad, went back to GP asked for  the Patches again from a different GP he said I can have them back back only 100mcg, tried that but the meno symptoms were creeping back, went back and again he said  no to increasing the patches and to add the pills again, feel like crying, so now I am getting bad headaches and real bad mood swings, and just dont know what to do.  So I have a packet of the patches  and am due to change tomorrow so thought instead of adding one patch and taking a pill I would add one and half patches, and try that for as long as I have enough patched left !!

[moonbeam121167]

Hi reduce my HRT by just using one 100mcg patch but this last few day I am feeling real bad, I feel miserable,moody, can just want to cry and having some hot flushes, just dont know what to do, I have mood swings on 2 x 100mcg and still have them on just one , can any one help, is it down to the patches or the amount, can anyone please help me 

[Hurdity]

Sorry to hear this moonbeam.
Are your headaches and stomach upsets better under this patch regime and have you only just started to experience flushes again since you last posted or have you been feeling bad all this time? Do keep a diary of how you feel so that you know what muight be the cause.
We can't actually tell you what's happening in your body but only comment either from our own experiences or from our understanding of how hormones work.
Have you asked for a referral to a specialist at all?

Hurdity x