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[paulineh]

Hi

Is there any difference between Evorel & estradot? Or is it just a case of different manufacturers? 

[Dandelion]

Hi

Is there any difference between Evorel & estradot? Or is it just a case of different manufacturers?

Good question but I don't fully know to be honest.
I think they are both oestradiol.
Sorry I am not much help

[Rowan]

Evorel is made from Mexican Yam and Estrodot from Soy so if you have a Soy sensitivity its best to choose Evorel.

They are both 17 beta-estradiol.

[Hurdity]

Hi paulineh

As far as allergies are concerned it matters not a jot which you choose, - as silverlady says they are both estradiol - but the compound (estradiol) has been manufactured from its constituents in a lab/factory and will be absolutely pure, and bear no resemblance to the original. You would not get any sort of soy allergy from them!

The difference between the two is the way the estradiol is applied and released from the adhesive. Evorel are much larger patches, Estradot are tiny in comparison and specially designed to hold and release the same amount of estradiol as the equivalent Evorel.

I have (almost) only ever used Estradot and would go for these any time - so much easier to check if they are stuck and only cover a little place on your bottom!

Hurdity x

[Ju Ju]

I was originally prescribed estrodot by a private gynaecologist, but I get my prescriptions from my GP for estrodial patches, which means I get whatever is available at the pharmacy. This is usually evorel patches. But I haven't noticed any difference.

[Dandelion]

Hi Silverlady and Hurdity

Thanks for telling me about the difference between these two patches.

Evorel is great for me, it sticks and I never have problems with it coming off.
I put it at the top of my thigh, or side of buttock. Sometimes I get black squares from the glue but I don't mind as they come off in the shower with a bit of hot water and soap.

[Rowan]

I read the info about Estradot and Soy allergy here

http://www.hystersisters.com/vb2/showthread.php't=523393

I still think if you do have a sensitivity to Soy you should consider it when choosing a Soy based hormone product.

But of cause its an individual choice.

[warwick01]

That's interesting - as if you are taking Thyroxine for underactive thyroid you should be aware soy interferes with the absorption

This is what my pharmacist told me when I started using Soy products.

W

[Rowan]

I  tried Estradot years ago when it first became available here because it was small, it was the same 25 dose, I just did not feel well on it, told my

doctor and she changed me back to Evorel.  I found out that Estradot was soy based, and as I can't tolerate anything made from soy it did make sense to me.

I have recently found out too I am sensitive to the Birch family and about cross reactions so it all fell into place. I saw a NHS allergy Specialist who explained it all.

http://www.mygutsy.com/do-your-allergies-cross-react/

[Tracey E]

I realise this is an old thread but having suffered an adverse reaction to both Estrogel and Evorel it would be interesting to know whether:
Estrogel is it derived from Yam or soya?
Utrogestan is this derived from Yam or Soya?

Having read the comments above I'm trying to understand why my HRT turned out to be such a disaster. Thanks. X

[Dandelion]

I found this "These types of oestrogen can be given to women with migraines and those with a higher risk of blood clot, as there is no increased risk of clot using these types of oestrogen. It is also natural because it is derived from a plant-chemical that is extracted from yams - a tropical root vegetable." from here https://www.menopausedoctor.co.uk/menopause/body-identical-hormones
Hope that helps.

[Tracey E]

I found this "These types of oestrogen can be given to women with migraines and those with a higher risk of blood clot, as there is no increased risk of clot using these types of oestrogen. It is also natural because it is derived from a plant-chemical that is extracted from yams - a tropical root vegetable." from here https://www.menopausedoctor.co.uk/menopause/body-identical-hormones
Hope that helps.

Thank you, so Estrogel, Evorel and Utrogestan are all bi products of Yam? Estradot is soya then?

So does anyone know whether the Estrogen in Femseven was produced from Yam or Soya?

I feel like Inspector Clouseau at the moment. 👀 X

[Dandelion]

I found this "These types of oestrogen can be given to women with migraines and those with a higher risk of blood clot, as there is no increased risk of clot using these types of oestrogen. It is also natural because it is derived from a plant-chemical that is extracted from yams - a tropical root vegetable." from here https://www.menopausedoctor.co.uk/menopause/body-identical-hormones
Hope that helps.

Thank you, so Estrogel, Evorel and Utrogestan are all bi products of Yam? Estradot is soya then?

So does anyone know whether the Estrogen in Femseven was produced from Yam or Soya?

I feel like Inspector Clouseau at the moment. 👀 X

I'm not sure how reliable this info is as I just googled, I use evorel, and don't know about other patches but I found this about estradot.
""This tiny, translucent patch - which ranges in size from a thumbnail up to a postage stamp - contains an oestrogen derived from the soya plant. This oestrogen, called 17beta-oestradiol, is identical to what a woman naturally produces in her own body before going through the menopause." from here https://www.female.com.au/menopausal-women.htm

I couldn't find anything on femseven but I did read that it had been discontinued.
Hope that helps.

[Tracey E]

Now I'm confused Dandelion as I've just found this:

The oestrogen that we usually prescribe for women at Newson Health is a type of oestrogen called ‘17 beta-oestradiol'. This is a "body identical" oestrogen and has the same molecular structure as the oestrogen which decreases in your body during the menopause. It is safer to have the oestrogen as a patch or gel, as this is absorbed directly through the skin and has less side effects and risks. These types of oestrogen can be given to women with migraines and those with a higher risk of blood clot, as there is no increased risk of clot using these types of oestrogen.

It is also natural because it is derived from a plant-chemical that is extracted from yams - a tropical root vegetable.

[Hurdity]

It doesn't matter whether it is derived from yam or soy, in terms of looking for a cause of any reaction. Why we want to know this is that most of us would prefer the raw materials to be of plant origin rather than animal ( eg the horse-pee oestrogens = Premarin etc). What you end up with is a pure chemical 17-beta estradiol that bears no resemblance to the plant nor the molecule derived from the original plant. There will be factories somewhere manufacturing the body-identical = bio-identical estradiol and then supplying this material to the pharma companies that produce the various HRT - and including those companies that do compounding - it is most likely all from the same source(s) as it is a very specialised process.

Hurdity x