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[honeybun]

I don't think anyone is doubting what you say at all. We understand that you are not getting 100% symptom control with your HRT. I would say this is very common as HRT is not a cure all for every symptom. I have been on patches for four years and although my symptoms are helped a lot they have not completely gone away. I still have at least one hot sweat per night but I want to reduce not increase so I am prepared to put up with it.
Your osteoporosis concerns have been answered in detail and the conclusion seems to be you have not in any way been at increased risk. Some women, in fact millions of them go through meno without any HRT at all and are just fine bone wise. My mother at 91 is one of those and apart from some shrinkage does not have osteoporosis.
One of the best things you can do to help prevent osteoporosis is walk every day. Sometimes we have to consider a natural approach to help ourselves and if you have a real fear of this then it is a very positive thing to do.
You may well always have flushes on HRT no matter how much you take. It's just one of these things that you have to accept and not worry about. You are replacing hormones and you will be protected against osteoporosis but nothing is ever perfect.

My hubby has diabetes and injects insulin four times a day. He is very careful with diet and exercise and in an ideal world would and should never have any problems with his glucose levels. Unfortunately it does not work that way and he has highs and lows. Another example of medication that should, but does not work perfectly.

Sometimes you just have to accept nothing is ever going to be perfect and there are no miracle treatments or cures and make the very best of what you have.


Honeyb
x

[Dandelion]

Hi ladies

Sorry for getting frustrated.
I was just thinking about those ladies who are allowed utrogestan and gel and then get better.

Are you saying that, if I start eating better and doing excercise, then my hrt may work better?
If so, I apologise, for misundetstanding you.
Also, if this is the case, it gives me more hope. If I can see a better me at the end, it may motivate me to do

more excercise.
I feel silly walking around on my own, but at the same time, no one knows if I am walking towards somewhere, and

if walking will help me feel less anxious, then, all the more reason to do it.

I really appreciate the reassurance about the bones. Seems I got mixed up thinking bone loss starts at peri.
I also appreciate you reminding me about how walking can help it.

I will try and walk more, I will try forgetting feeling stupid and remind me I am doing it for the good of my health.

I'll also read over the links in this thread and re read the posts.

[jo61]

HaHa Dandelion if you think you will look daft walking around on your own I wish I could send you a picture. I now have to walk with 2 walking sticks and white surgical stockings which I have to wear for 6 weeks . I look and feel  like an old tramp but if it gets me where I want then I will give it my best shot.

[Dancinggirl]

Dandelion - I think we all tend to loose the thread within a thread - if you see what I mean
You are absolutely right about what we are trying to tell you.
You are doing  well on Femiston and the progesterone in it is not giving you nasty side effects. If Femiston wasn't suiting you then I would suggest you try Oestrogel and Utrogestan but you wouldn't necessarily get a better outcome - it will only be a better option for ladies who react badly to Femiston.  Does that make sense??
I do wonder if there is something else that causes your night sweating - it does sound very extreme. Next time you see your GP do mention this as it could be your thyroid playing up.
Spring is pushing forward quickly this year - get out in that fresh air - avoid sweet things and see if this makes things better. Good luck.  DG xxx

[Dandelion]

Dandelion - I think we all tend to loose the thread within a thread - if you see what I mean
You are absolutely right about what we are trying to tell you.
You are doing  well on Femiston and the progesterone in it is not giving you nasty side effects. If Femiston wasn't suiting you then I would suggest you try Oestrogel and Utrogestan but you wouldn't necessarily get a better outcome - it will only be a better option for ladies who react badly to Femiston.  Does that make sense??
I do wonder if there is something else that causes your night sweating - it does sound very extreme. Next time you see your GP do mention this as it could be your thyroid playing up.
Spring is pushing forward quickly this year - get out in that fresh air - avoid sweet things and see if this makes things better. Good luck.  DG xxx

Hi DG

I've had a couple of thyroid tests and they were normal.
I see what you are saying about the utrogestan and gel but something just occured to me, and I hope you don't think I am being awkward.
Ellie from here was on the femoston 2/10, she tolerated the progestin but moved to the patches because she said that the oestrogen in 2/10 was insufficient.
She is peri also.

I just did a brisk walk to the shops to get those things I needed.
I did sweat and feel hot but only on my upper body.
It's the fact that the sweating is restricted to the upper body which makes me think my flushes are not under control.

Normally when I exert myself, my groin area sweats as well, but it's totally dry.

I've had a healthy lunch, tuna sandwich and two bananas, followed by a vitamin c pill, 300mg magnesium citrate and two flaxseed gel caps.

[honeybun]

Have you considered that you sweat when you walk because you are unused to any exercise. The more you do it the fitter you will get and the less you will sweat.
Exercise never triggered a hot flush for me. Yes I get hot and sticky but not the classic flush symptoms.

Keep going with the walking as its good for your bones.

You could move to gel and utrogestan and face a whole lot of new problems. Utrogestan irritated my bladder so much that I was forced to stop and go back to patches. It also gave me very very painful bleeds. I was glad to stop. So it does not automatically suit everyone.


Honeyb
x

[Sarah2]

Another way to look at this is- sweating is a goal when exercising!

Have you thought that you should be sweating?

Have a look at this link here on how much exercise we ought to do and how it affects our bodies.

http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/getting-started-guides/Pages/getting-started-walking.aspx

This is about half way down:

Starting out
Start slowly and try to build your walking regime gradually. To get the health benefits from walking, it needs to be of moderate-intensity aerobic activity. In other words, it needs to be faster than a stroll.
Moderate-intensity aerobic activity means you're walking fast enough to raise your heart rate and break a sweat. One way to tell is that you'll be able to talk, but not sing the words to your favourite song.



Sweating and hot flushes are different.

But I agree with HoneyB that you will be sweating more quickly with only a little bit of exercise because you aren't used to it.

[lubylou]

Honeybun
Thanks for saying

I would say this is very common as HRT is not a cure all for every symptom. I have been on patches for four years and although my symptoms are helped a lot they have not completely gone away. I still have at least one hot sweat per night but I want to reduce not increase so I am prepared to put up with it.

For me it vindicated my decision to stay on Premique Low dose and tolerate the fact it did not get rid of symptoms but could cope and it was tolerable for me (and a low dose). That has cheered me up no end, I thought I was being a twit to do just this for two years!

I just hope that my (I hope temporary) increase in my furnace nights can be dealt with by a change of HRT and that it is not caused by something else (my Thyroid was tested last Sept) I don't think I could cope with another diagnosis of some autoimmune disease.

As I said in my post in “private lives” I am going to ask my GP if I can to go back onto one of the two HRTs (Tridestra or Tibolone) I took (both) in the past and they completely got rid of the memo symptoms. This should tell me whether my fireball nights are meno or something else. As the Premique Medium dose I have been for just over two weeks  isn't completely effective ( in fact is does not work at all 

Lubylou

[Dandelion]

Another way to look at this is- sweating is a goal when exercising!

Have you thought that you should be sweating?

Have a look at this link here on how much exercise we ought to do and how it affects our bodies.

http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/getting-started-guides/Pages/getting-started-walking.aspx

This is about half way down:

Starting out
Start slowly and try to build your walking regime gradually. To get the health benefits from walking, it needs to be of moderate-intensity aerobic activity. In other words, it needs to be faster than a stroll.
Moderate-intensity aerobic activity means you're walking fast enough to raise your heart rate and break a sweat. One way to tell is that you'll be able to talk, but not sing the words to your favourite song.



Sweating and hot flushes are different.

But I agree with HoneyB that you will be sweating more quickly with only a little bit of exercise because you aren't used to it.

I know excercise sweat and I know meno sweat, and mine is definitely meno sweat.

I just keep thinking of the one or two women on here, to whom femiston just wasn't sufficient to cover their symptoms and they were allowed a different type and feel much better. These women got on with the prog part of femoston, its just that it was not strong enough to cover their symptoms.

I've been out all day but I still feel depressed.
I feel real fear at the thought of spending the next few years like this, all because my doctor is being stubborn and not giving me enough oestrogen.
I just want my life back like it was before, mood wise and sweat/heat wise.
I shouldn't be needing the fan on in my bed like I do, every night, when I am on hrt.

[Hurdity]

Dandelion - I hope you don't mind my saying but you are worrying too much about whether or not Femoston is going to work for you and you do seem determined that it isn't and as such you are spending a lot of energy being frustrated at not getting what you feel is the right HRT compared to other women.

Looking at your post below and your concerns about the cost of food, it would be far far better for your health to spend the money you have on a proper diet, than on all those supplements at the moment.

Provided you don't smoke and drink excessively, having a good varied fairly low fat/low sugar diet with plenty of fresh fruit and vegetables, pulses nuts fish and few or no processed foods, is the very first and most important step you can take to good health through the menopause and beyond. Whatever anyone says, most women can get most of the nutrients they need from their diet - provided it is as above.

For the time being I would concentrate on this, and as for Magnesium - I wouldn't be taking this on a regular basis. Overdose can cause problems and amongst the side effects I noticed sweating as one of them. If you must take a supplement I would take a fish oil, preferably the oil, but failing that a capsule, and you don't need extra Vit C all the time - at least not in pill form. Eat oranges instead!

Give yourself a chance and change your diet, and keep up with the exercise! You did well! Do you listen to music? If ever I feel a bit low in mood I always put on some of my favourite music and immediately feel much better!

Meanwhile keep taking the HRT - I'm sure it's helping!

Hurdity x

[Dancinggirl]

Dandelion - you sound so stressed and overwhelmed.  Hurdity is right - give things time.

You say you want your life back.  Tell us what you want back - what sort of things did you enjoy doing before you started to get this sweating.
DG xxx

[Dandelion]

Dandelion - you sound so stressed and overwhelmed.  Hurdity is right - give things time.

You say you want your life back.  Tell us what you want back - what sort of things did you enjoy doing before you started to get this sweating.
DG xxx

Hi Hurdity and DG

Thanks for your comments I value those.

I want my life back. My moods have not been the same since meno started.
I have not been able to listen to music unless my mood is really good, it just gets on my nerves, this came with peri.
I want not to have to keep washing clothes and bedsheets all the time.
I want to be able to laugh and to sing, this went away when peri started.
I want some motivation, because, before peri, even if I was feeling low, I could find motivation to push myself, now, the depression and anxiety are too bad.
I know the problems of overdose of magnesium and supplements so I am careful what I take.
I know I said I ate a bad diet, but, looking back, I eat quite a good one. I cut out a lot of rubbish. I don't eat that many biscuits.
I do eat fresh fruit.
I am just dissappointed in the Femoston after two months not working as well as I would have liked.
The night sweats I get are only ever on the upper part of my body.
HRT definitely reduced these, but did not take them away.
I jjust wonder how I differ from the couple of  peri women on here, who said that femoston 2/10 was not enough for them.
I will stick with femoston for now and try to excercise more and eat even better, but if there is no improvement, I dunno what to do from then on, as my doctor just does not compute utrogestan and oestragel or bio identicals.

[CLKD]

I want my life back. My moods have not been the same since meno started. :: mood swings can be hormone related, diet related, worry …….. how bad are the moods? 

 
I have not been able to listen to music unless my mood is really good, it just gets on my nerves, this came with peri. :: I started a thread about how noise really annoys me  in recent years, particularly noise that I can't control i.e. when the builders of 2 houses had 2 radios on 2 different stations: but were working INSIDE the houses and the radios were outside 


I want not to have to keep washing clothes and bedsheets all the time ::: is this due to flushes?  Have you thought about laying a thick towel under a sheet so that you have a sheet rather than several to wash?  When the summer arrives this will get easier 

I want to be able to laugh and to sing, this went away when peri started. :: we haven't had a good laugh for ages, DH and I giggle occasionally …….. he can't sing and I whistle under my breath.  Music annoys me too, with it's constant repetitive lines.


I want some motivation, because, before peri, even if I was feeling low, I could find motivation to push myself, now, the depression and anxiety are too bad  ::: do you find a list helps?  At least you tick off as you go along, by evening you can see *what* you have achieved 


I know the problems of overdose of magnesium and supplements so I am careful what I take :: well done!

I know I said I ate a bad diet, but, looking back, I eat quite a good one. I cut out a lot of rubbish. I don't eat that many biscuits   :: I think slumming it occasionally is fine as choosing 'good' foods can be boring  but generally, eating fresh rather than pre packed is best as is the fresh fruit.  I have a hankering for melons right now 

I am just dissappointed in the Femoston after two months not working as well as I would have liked. ::: your body has to adjust!  If like me you want to feel better you want to feel better yesterday: however, our bodies don't often catch up as quickly when faced with medication  - I didn't get the patience gene either 


The night sweats I get are only ever on the upper part of my body  ::  cotton nighties, towels, sheets?

I jjust wonder how I differ from the couple of  peri women on here, who said that femoston 2/10 was not enough for them. :::: no one reacts the same.  You are probably 'within normal limits' for your hormonal makeup 

[Dandelion]

I want my life back. My moods have not been the same since meno started. :: mood swings can be hormone related, diet related, worry …….. how bad are the moods? 

 
I have not been able to listen to music unless my mood is really good, it just gets on my nerves, this came with peri. :: I started a thread about how noise really annoys me  in recent years, particularly noise that I can't control i.e. when the builders of 2 houses had 2 radios on 2 different stations: but were working INSIDE the houses and the radios were outside 


I want not to have to keep washing clothes and bedsheets all the time ::: is this due to flushes?  Have you thought about laying a thick towel under a sheet so that you have a sheet rather than several to wash?  When the summer arrives this will get easier 

I want to be able to laugh and to sing, this went away when peri started. :: we haven't had a good laugh for ages, DH and I giggle occasionally …….. he can't sing and I whistle under my breath.  Music annoys me too, with it's constant repetitive lines.


I want some motivation, because, before peri, even if I was feeling low, I could find motivation to push myself, now, the depression and anxiety are too bad  ::: do you find a list helps?  At least you tick off as you go along, by evening you can see *what* you have achieved 


I know the problems of overdose of magnesium and supplements so I am careful what I take :: well done!

I know I said I ate a bad diet, but, looking back, I eat quite a good one. I cut out a lot of rubbish. I don't eat that many biscuits   :: I think slumming it occasionally is fine as choosing 'good' foods can be boring  but generally, eating fresh rather than pre packed is best as is the fresh fruit.  I have a hankering for melons right now 

I am just dissappointed in the Femoston after two months not working as well as I would have liked. ::: your body has to adjust!  If like me you want to feel better you want to feel better yesterday: however, our bodies don't often catch up as quickly when faced with medication  - I didn't get the patience gene either 


The night sweats I get are only ever on the upper part of my body  ::  cotton nighties, towels, sheets?

I jjust wonder how I differ from the couple of  peri women on here, who said that femoston 2/10 was not enough for them. :::: no one reacts the same.  You are probably 'within normal limits' for your hormonal makeup 

Hi
Thanks CKLD

It's such a shame about music isn't it?
Music is beautiful, when I am in the mood I really enjoy it.
I love singing and dancing, when I am in the mood, I find them both meditative in their own different ways.
Thanks for the tips about the sweat thing. I love waking up dry, though. I hate feeling hot and wet.
I hate it when I feel like I need a shower all the time.
Maybe I was wrong when I said that most women's hrt kicks in in the first couple of months. I just had this feeling that this was the best mine was going to do, but maybe not.

[Dancinggirl]

Dandelion - I think CLKD has responded to your last post really well.  I hope there are things in her post that you can try. Just a thought: if you enjoy singing, is there a local choir you could join?  Singing is so good for lifting the mood - very therapeutic.
As to Femiston "not being enough" for you, I still think you haven't given your body enough time to settle.
Many of us can really relate to the way you are feeling - you are not alone.
I am living with the almost constant discomfortable of Vaginal Atrophy - it makes me short tempered, keeps me awake at night and I dread sitting down for any length of time so it's really difficult to relax. I'm using local oestrogen to treat this but 4 months on it's not getting any better - I've got to be patient - it may take up to a year for things to improve.
I would show the doctor your list of wishes ( you express your wants and wishes so well) next time you see him/her - it really illustrates how you feel and may help the GP to understand.  Good luck  DG x