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[Tingly]

R4ctom...let us know how you get on at the docs
Xxx

[Hurdity]

Just to re-iterate that Vagifem is not an instant pain reliever - nor is any local oestrogen, but works to reduce the pain and irritation through regeneration of the vaginal cells, and reduced the ph.

They should not be used as an instant thing but the regimen chosen needs to be continued for a couple of weeks at least for there to be any lasting effect.

Hurdity x

[R4CT0M]

Thanks Tingly and Hurdity

That's what is confusing me, I know it is a regime, but with the dr telling me to use it more often as and when I need to, well that doesn't seem like a regime to me   surely a regime is a regular dose at regular intervals...

don't know what to do, the relief last night was short lived, been in pain all day today....  not even sure it is atrophy anymore but could it be something else?  paracetemol doesn't do anything for it..

in fact thinking about it, don't remember having this much pain before I started using it.  It was suggested I use it for dryness and some discomfort. I also wanted to strengthen tissues because of my prolapse..  It was great at first, felt really comfortable,  and tissues are definitely feeling stronger,  but now feel like I may have made matters worse by using it
don't know what to do......think I will have to start again with definite days when I take it, put up with pain in between,  and see how I go for the next few weeks until I see the gynae...........pain in the bum, literally

if I'm out of sync with my regime, can I just start again but without the 2 wks loading, i.e take 1 x 10mg Mon and Thurs evening for next few weeks see how I go?  I don't really want to give it up because I reckon the lack of oestrogen brought on the prolapse probs

thanks for your help

Mony xx
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[Tingly]

Oh bugger, sorry its come back r4ctom, i know what u mean about the regime thing
I'm the same, paracetemol doesnt help BUT ive had clear day fri sat and up until about 4.30 today.(took vagifem on friday night)

Just used some multigyn inside me about 1/2 hour ago and thats took it off again.

I wonder what it is too... I hated it when my specialist said it was typical atrophy, but then she examined me and next time i saw her she said my vagina didnt show signs of atrophy.(but by then i had been taking super strength hormones ).

I'm hoping that the hormones had worked  inside my vagina but the symptoms were then the urinary ones

( fancy hoping its atrophy!!)

She did do a pelvic exam , a transvaginal scan, i had a cystoscopy a couple of years ago, my bladders been checked my waters been checked so i cant think what else it could be

Also the fact that the vagifem has worked ninety per cent surely means it is atrophy ...doesnt it?

Also look how many people have got burning in the burning club on private lives....surely this is part of atrophy?


I dont know...it does your nut in doesnt it?

Hope the stingys go soon for you

Maybe we should all go as a group to an eminent gynae and see what they say!,,
Luv

Tingly
Xxxx

[andius]

Just a thought.....changes in estrogen level in vagina can be associated with thrush.  Please check to see that this is not coming on if you are new to vagifem.  In my experience the burning is quite the same and it doesn't always have a discharge although usually there is some itching.  With burning, the itching may not be as noticeable.

If you are using Vit E or other moisturizer type stuff.....you may not have the typical discharge.

Andius

[R4CT0M]

thanks    I know it's not thrush....
my pain is just inside me, can go right up and through to the back exit if you see my meaning   like a hot poker through that area, also pain at bottom of my spine area.......
also just a touch can set it all off... sometimes when I am in pain I feel like my prolapse must be worse, but check it and it isn't, but just that slight touch sets everything off...

I originally went to gynae because things didn't feel right down there when I was showering, diagnosed the prolapse, and it's only since then this pain and everything has got worse...

I'm very confused about it all now..

btw updated my last post with questions thanks for any advice

[andius]

R4

If you have completed the 2 wk loading regimen already (within last 6 mo or so) and have been taking approx 2 doses a week since then, you should be able to pick any 2 days of the week, roughly 3 days apart and make that YOUR REGIMEN.

It can be MON-Thurs or Thurs-Sun or whatever you want for your schedule.  If your doctor said you could use more....I think they mean like MON - Wed - Frid or Tue- Thurs - Sat or whatever fits your schedule for 3 doses a week. I am assuming you are on the 10mcg vagifem.  I have never doubled up on doses, and I would recommend you ask your doctor before you do this to clarify if that is what they mean by using more.

If you are on the 25mcg vagifem.....please wait until someone else who uses that can advise you as I have never taken those.

Andius

[R4CT0M]

thanks Andius.. i'm on 10mg.... just going to start again with twice per week and see how that goes...
will see gynae in 6 wks, so chance to have a good run at that regime

thanks for your help everyone......

[CLKD]

I can't find anywhere on the 'net' which states that the product will be discontinued  - if I remember when I go to the Surgery later today I will ask, I have sent an e-mail to that effect .........

[scriv]

R4CT - Just had a thought. Could the pain be caused by your prolapse pulling down? It could be that a muscle is aching in there or a nerve pressed on or something like that. Maybe ask the gynae at the next visit?

If it is hurting, I would not recommend you do not  use the Kegel machines or vaginal probes as that may aggravate the problem. Stick to the conventional pelvic floor or kegel exercises. Just IMHO.

[Tingly]

I too have been tested for thrush...its not that

The fact that i have good hours some days is beginning to mak me think it is va, but hasnt quite resolved in the bladder/urethra yet
Maybe it takes longer to get there?
Tingly

Ps cant find anyone who  has said vagifem sorted the symptoms  out completely...i posted on this a bit ago as an experimment

Also cant find out how long you have to take it to be completely effective

Luv ting x

[Hurdity]

R4CTOM

Re using it more often. If two a week aren't working then I would just use 3 a week and yes start anywhere as long as you don't leave it longer than 3 days without ie take more rather than less to get in sync with whichever days you choose.  If this still doesn;t do the trick after a few weeks I would use two at once twice a week and see how that works, or just double up on one of th three days (depending on how you want to do it)

It really sounds like more than VA to me - a hot poker right up your insides? Sounds horrendous!! I can't help re how long it works because I am on systemic HRT and vaginal oestrogen and I really get virtually no problems at all with burning or any irritation.

Hurdity x

[R4CT0M]

Thanks Scriv, Ting, Hurdity

Yes I am wondering now if it is getting complicated with the prolapse.  Was also reading about the pudendal nerve causing problems throughout the whole area if it has been damaged during childbirth.
yes Scriv, I'm only doing manual kegals

Thanks Hurdity.. last took Saturday evening , so will start again on Tues evening and Friday evening, see how that goes

fingers crossed

[CLKD]

Am still waiting for a reply re: "Ortho-Gynest UK discontinuance" :  to my e-mail from the Surgery 

As this Forum is medic led, it would be helpful if Dr Curry or Emma would let us know if products are due to be altered or taken off the UK market. 

[Taz2]

Netdoctor usually gets it right CLKD - often way before any other sites.

Taz