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honeybun

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For the gardening ladies....
« on: October 01, 2013, 09:35:14 AM »

I don't know if anyone has read of the warnings regarding garden compost. The type that they sell in bags for bulbs etc.

Two people that my sister knows have been admitted to hospital suffering with something called legionella. It is in the bags of compost and can make you very very ill.
You must always wear gloves when handling compost and ideally a mask as well. The compost is not being heated properly and the bacteria are not being killed off.

So for anyone planting their spring bulbs please be careful.

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Elena

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Re: For the gardening ladies....
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2013, 10:34:09 AM »

oh my goodness - presumably that's Legionaire's Disease then?  I'll google for more info.  Thanks HB
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honeybun

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« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2013, 11:09:21 AM »

It's a form of and the spores cause pneumonia. It's really nasty.

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Dyan

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Re: For the gardening ladies....
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2013, 02:11:50 PM »

Thanks for that Honeybun.
I was planning to plant some daffodil bulbs this week. :)
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Taz2

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Re: For the gardening ladies....
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2013, 03:09:01 PM »

Thanks for that Honeybun... not that you will find me in the garden!

It seems to be linked to us no longer using peat in our compost http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/scientists-say-compost-bags-could-be-a-source-of-legionella-bacteria.1380628004


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Elena

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Re: For the gardening ladies....
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2013, 03:10:31 PM »

Strange that all the cases so far are in eastern Scotland..
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honeybun

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« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2013, 03:16:57 PM »

I am in the west coast of Scotland Milliemoo. I wonder if they will be able to identify all the bags that are carrying the bacteria.
One of the people my sister knows got some of the dust in her eye and is really ill. Her eye is causing a lot of concern.

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CLKD

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Re: For the gardening ladies....
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2013, 03:27:07 PM »

 :thankyou:


Is this sold via garden centres or the local Council?  My DH will be interested as he dealt with sanitisation of water systems in his working Life  ;)

It is known that peat based compost still gives the best results!
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honeybun

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« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2013, 05:57:44 PM »

It's garden centre and supermarket bags as far as I am aware.
Guess it's really anyone who is selling compost. I wonder if home made compost carries the same risks.

Sometimes when you open a new bag there is a puff of dry dust and that's the problem. The spores are in the dust. Perhaps opening in a well ventilated place and the watering the compost might help. Just speculating here though.

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CLKD

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« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2013, 06:24:49 PM »

It only suggests that people have been hospitalised due to spores from compost. It's the way the article reads!  DH has had a good look and wonders if someone is looking for a Research Grant so is 'scaremongering'  ;).  No where does it say that people have suffered from Legionella via spores from compost bags.  Usually when I open one the compost is damp anyway,e ven our home grown stuff is damp.  Using lots of that this week  :-*.  If I had the energy I would have a look-see that the article but there are no quotes .........

DH shrugged and said 'it might be possible if the person opening the bag was in an enclosed space and the compost was very dry'.  ;)

The most important issue is to make sure that domestic shower 'heads' are regularly used or decontaminated.  Because the spores love the amoeba that lives in water, the spores are all around us and shower heads are warm and damp, making them an ideal breeding ground.  Which is why Hotels have to be spotless about their shower head cleaning.  The other place is the water storage bottles in the car: those that have the window clean spray jets! if they don't have anti-freeze and that other stuff  ::) (screen wash) in-situ, the car driver can be affected via the ventilation vents!!! if you can smell when you clean your car windows then the chances are that there are spores entering the vehicle via the air vents.

So put away your masks - 'cos most of those are useless unless worn correctly - and go about enjoying your gardening  :)

"The findings are reported in the journal Clinical Microbiology and Infection."  typically there is no mention of whether this is a UK Journal, how recent the Report is, there is no reference to Calls for Papers, Abstracts etc..  ::)

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honeybun

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« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2013, 06:50:00 PM »

Sorry CLKD. The tests have been done on the two people that my sister knows and they have been diagnosed with legionella not legionares.

Tests have also been done on the bags of compost that it came from and its been confirmed.
Both have been in hospital for about ten days.

Yes the other form comes from showers etc but this is a form of the bacteria that is in compost.

To be honest it's a bit much to suggest that these people are not suffering from this dangerous bacterial infection. It is what it is.

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Joyce

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« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2013, 07:14:24 PM »

Goodness I was potting plants recently with compost. Scary stuff. Wishing your sister's friends a speedy recovery HB.  These things should always be taken very seriously, even if it is rare.
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honeybun

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« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2013, 07:32:19 PM »

I agree CG especially as it has not been suggested but confirmed.


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Taz2

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« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2013, 08:16:30 PM »

It is a UK study

"The study was conducted by Dr Tara Beattie, fellow academic Dr Charles Knapp, Strathclyde PhD student Sandra Currie and Dr Diane Lindsay of the Scottish Haemophilus, Legionella, Meningococcus and Pneumococcus Reference Laboratory."

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« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2013, 09:20:55 PM »

Legionella is the name of the bacteria. One variety of it is only water borne and that one leads to Legionnaires disease. Other varieties can be water borne or soil based and 'cause a lesser, non-fatal, acute infectious process known as Pontiac fever that resembles acute influenza'.

Either way, not very good.

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