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anderina

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fibroids
« on: September 25, 2013, 06:29:40 PM »

help looking for advice!!

anyone with experience of fibroids?

had ultrasound yesterday told i have quite big one - but everything i have read since says fibroids shrink post menopause

anderina xx
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Lucky Stone

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Re: fibroids
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2013, 09:50:40 PM »

I had a big fibroid and opted for a sub total hysterectomy. I suppose it depends how old you are, I was early 40s and never wanted kids anyway. But - it does hasten the meno, well it did in my case and I was totally unprepared. Other than that, a straightforward op and after recovery, I never looked back.
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Joyce

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Re: fibroids
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2013, 10:05:46 PM »

I had fibroids & cysts. Pain from these resulted in partial hysterectomy in my mid 30's. Ovaries were removed 10 years later because of adhesions.

Discuss fully with your doctor about all the possibilities.
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anderina

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Re: fibroids
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2013, 10:04:46 AM »

Thank you I am 54 and post menopausal (also have prolapse) going in hospital 11 oct for hysteroscopy etc - the nurse advised me to go for hysterectomy as i am fit and healthy as i will ever be?? (for recovery etc)

The more i think about it i agree rather than wait years down the line and general health declines. Obviously feel nervous, plus don't know what results will show yet ? might not have any option

xx
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Rowan

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Re: fibroids
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2013, 04:04:08 PM »

anderina fibroids don't always shrink with menopause, I was told mine would not and I had a second opinion who said the same, I was 53 when I had a subtotal hysterectomy, they took my uterus and fallopian tubes, the surgeon said my ovaries were healthy and I kept my cervix.

Never had any trouble since, it took a while to recover, I was prescribed a very low dose estrogen patch after op and have never had many symptoms of menopause.

I have never regretted it.

 
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carrs

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Re: fibroids
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2013, 08:45:54 PM »

Hi
Fibroids are very common.
I'm sure you will be given the correct advice once you have had a full assessment.
I think your decision also depends on how bad your symptoms are.
My fibroids cause no problems now the heavy peroids have stopped.
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anderina

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Re: fibroids
« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2013, 09:00:40 AM »

hello everyone!

just been reading about vagifem and that it can cause fibroids to enlarge and play up!

 Because my fibroid is so large probably had it a long time, and it seems like too much of a coincident that since using vagifem i now have this problem!

consultant didn't say any of this, but while having my pre assessment for my op the nurse was very helpful (seemed to know more than doc) and agreed.

Anyone else heard of this?

Have stopped vagifem cos i don't want to cause more probs - feel like im going backwards with more things wrong every day

any advice ??? xxx
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Rowan

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Re: fibroids
« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2013, 09:31:08 AM »

Definitely not a coincidence anderina.
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Evenstar

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Re: fibroids
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2013, 03:27:19 PM »

I developed fibroids in my late 40s. Extremely painful :(
     My Dr told me that they would ease off as I approached meno which they have so no further action needed so far. Will have to bear in mind flare ups with vagifem use though, as I fully intend to use that when the need arises
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Hurdity

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Re: fibroids
« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2013, 07:28:03 PM »

Hi Anderina

I'm not sure whether Vagifem has been shown to increase the size of uterine fibroids has it?
What I've read just lists this as an effect of estrogens - of which vagifem is one - but I think the studies refer to systemic HRT rather than topical/local estrogens ie as a precautionary suggestion.

The dose is so low I can't imagine it could have an appreciable effect but would be very interested to see studies which have shown this, if you known of them?

However if you are worried, rather than stop local estrogen completely, why not change to Orthogynest pessaries as these contain estriol - a very weak oestrogen which will have even less effect ( 7-8 times weaker) on the endometrium than the estradiol in Vagifem. It still has all the same benefits of Vagifem.

Hurdity x
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Rowan

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Re: fibroids
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2013, 07:44:43 PM »

Lots of evidence that vagifem can increase the size of fibroids

http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/hrt-topical

Having had a fibroid I would have been very cautious about using Vagifem before it was removed, even progesterone can increase fibroids.
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anderina

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Re: fibroids
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2013, 06:23:01 PM »

thankyou for all your replies
I have stopped vagifem until i've been for my biopsy etc
The side effects I read did say vagifem could cause problems with fibroids - but I
 didn't know I had one before I had a scan or I wouldn't have used it!

Will have to look into using something else tho because my other problems are no better!

I really thought I was having such a straightforward menopause (is there such a thing?) and then one problem after another in 6 months!!!
I will keep you posted about how i get on
xxx
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anderina

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Re: fibroids
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2013, 06:51:44 PM »

Can anyone tell me if Balance Active menopause gel is any good?

xx
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Hurdity

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Re: fibroids
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2013, 07:16:57 PM »

anderina - I really do not think you need to stop the vagifem because of fibroids.

What the leaflets/patient information about vagifem say is that there are certain effects from taking all oestrogens. The information that relates to fibroids is quoting the standard cautionary words that all oestorgen taken in any form will say. I looked closer at the detailed information and it says that (as expected) enlargement in fibroids is an effect of oestorgen - this is well known and is stated on this web site under health conditions.

http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/atoz.php#GlossF

Fibroids
Fibroids are benign smooth muscle tumours of the uterine (womb) wall and are dependant on estrogen. They tend to shrink after the menopause but shrinkage may not occur, or they may even increase in size with HRT use. Increase is thought to occur in 25% of HRT users and mainly occurs in the first six months of therapy. There is some evidence that transdermal (patch or gel) but not tablet HRT nor tibolone may promote fibroid growth. [ref 24] Fibroid size can be monitored by regular examinations and sometimes by ultrasound scans. There is some evidence that the use of the progestogen releasing intra-uterine system, Mirena may cause fibroids to reduce in size. Mirena is often used in the perimenopause by women who have heavy periods and/or require contraception and can provide the progestogen part of their HRT.


The information in the leaflets is applying the results from systemic HRT to advise caution with any oestrogen, and states that there is no information about the effect of local oestrogen on fibroids.

All effects of oestrogen are dose dependent - which means that the higher the dose the greater the effect. Even allowing for the fact that we are all different, any effect of vagifem on fibroids is likely to be negligible, because the oestrogen dose is so small.

As above some progestogens have been shown to have the opposite effect ie shrink fibroids, especially if introduced directly as in the Mirena.

As I said please do use Orthogynest 0.5 mg pessaries instead if you really don't want to use Vagifem -  they are a very weak oestrogen and will prevent your VA getting worse, without affecting your fibroid.

I understand that hysterectomy is now a last resort for treating fibroids so don't be pushed into it if you don't have to have one - and see what else is recommended when you've had the results of tests and hysteroscopy etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uterine_fibroid

Good luck!

Hurdity x
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anderina

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Re: fibroids
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2013, 08:13:05 PM »

Thanks Hurdity that sounds a bit more hopeful, will see what happens next week and go from there

 I have had loads of people telling me that their hysterectomy was the best thing they ever did!!?

I'm starting to think ' oh lets get rid of it all' and sort out my prolapse at the same time but it might not even get to that - I think i'm trying to convince myself that this is the way to go!

Will keep you up to date thank you again
xx



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