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CLKD

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Re: P'd off rant
« Reply #45 on: July 13, 2017, 10:16:20 PM »

Maybe Bibby ask your husband how he would feel if someone else acted in a similar fashion towards you in public.  Add that you feel 'put down' in front of others however much he believes that he is joking. 

"I'm not getting at you but .......... and if you go into a huff I will know that you mean to hurt me in public" might bring him up sharp!  He may of course be territorial in front of men  ::) but certainly mine wouldn't 'get away' with such actions, I would simply find things to do that I enjoyed.

totally un-sensitive and you can't be subtle with him, he just doesn't take hints.  In fact he doesn't take something stronger than a hint.  But if I really lay it on the line, he gets upset, puffs and blows - Asperger's covers many aspects ;-)
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Re: P'd off rant
« Reply #46 on: July 14, 2017, 03:21:08 AM »

I was married for 17 years to a guy who belittled me in public and in front of my children and family, and his target was that I'd ' majorly stretched' down below after 4 vaginal births, and he couldn't feel a thing anymore.  If I retaliated I got more abuse.  As I was walking out on him he asked what he'd done wrong and I explained and he said he'd said all that so men wouldn't want me, total bull because my children and family would hear it

I can cope with mocking in general but not when it gets personal

Oh Annie, what an absolute piece of shite that man was! I am 51 and got married in 1987 to my first boyfriend. Now I know a lot of people say that you should never marry the first person you date, but he is an absolute gem and so is my adult son. Both of these men have been by my side through my pituitary tumour, migraines, Interstitial Cystitis and life in general. My adult son confided in me a few years back that he was gay. He was 19 at the time, but it reassured me that I had raised a son who had enough confidence in me to confide in me. My husband is  policeman and sees a lot of bad things, but he has never brought any of it home or treated me or my son with anything other than kindness. I cannot believe that men still trot out that tired old bulldust about women being "stretched down there". Sorry, but I would have told him to F off!
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Re: P'd off rant
« Reply #47 on: July 14, 2017, 06:57:48 AM »

That's terrible Annie0710.  You are definitely better off without HIM.  What a cave man.  I hope his subsequent partners were as overtly critical of him.  I hope you found a sweetheart that treasures you since then or are very happy 'thank you' to be an independent lady :D

CKLD, I will read and reread what you have written to really get my head round it.   Yes he has 'put me down' in front of friends (male and female), n a jokey way, and I could say equally hurtful things about him in return, but I haven't, partly because when I am upset I become inarticulate (like my Dad) and partly because if I DID say anything, it would come out as vicious rather than jokey.  My face shows it all, I'm afraid.  Also, I think people are amused by what he says but if I then come back with something, people will know I am angry, it will then become "a domestic" and make people feel uncomfortable to be with a couple who are bickering.  Because his dig was jovial, mine was not.  -If you get me.
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Re: P'd off rant
« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2017, 11:59:42 PM »

Ladies, in my book you are all amazing women.  If any man treated me in a similar manner, he'd, firstly be put on the ground painfully and he wouldn't be getting up in a hurry, then he'd find his bags packed and on the pavement.  No man has the right to belittle you.  If he thinks it 'funny', send him my way.  I'd have no problem giving a very nasty taste of his own medicine.  I sound harsh, ok bloody furious, and I am. I'm furious on the behalf of each of you.  Even before his stroke, Stephen never treated me in that sort of way, both in private and public, that still stands.

Sometimes we all need to rant and blow off.  Hope you all have a decent night.
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Re: P'd off rant
« Reply #49 on: July 15, 2017, 10:43:40 AM »

Carole, I am glad you have a considerate man in your life.  I know I need to sort this out.  I need to talk to him.  I have now blown up at him twice since his 'Joke' in the bank.  We live in a hot country and I am finding the heat isnt helping my humour.  What I am saying as an update is that I havent had a nice heart to heart with him, and sharp implements should be locked away...... 

Over the decades we have changed.  He never used to be like this, or if he was, I never took it to heart.  But then he began to wanto to go out drinking with his mates, leaving me with the kids, sometimes going away for the weekend......  THEN I tried to get through to him, but he just didn't take it on board.  This continued till I was in my 40's when I went away with a friend (for a craft weekend) and my DH really didn't like it.  So I did it again a year later  ;D  It was the first time in all those years I had taken myself off and the effect was the best lesson for him.  Before that, I was car-less and clueless.  Taking driving lessons was the best thing ever for me.  I was no longer "her indoors".  BUT there still is this thing of him drinking too much and also using me as the butt of his jokes.  In the past talking to him hasn't worked.  I will try again  I can only give him that chance eh.  He is living with a far more volatile female than the one he met in '69 and maybe I need to lay it on the line so that he cant say he didnt know what it was all about.  Then if he still acts the prat, I will have the ball in my court.
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CaroleM

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Re: P'd off rant
« Reply #50 on: July 15, 2017, 02:23:41 PM »

Bibby, reading between the lines, when you met him he wanted to impress you, was proud to be seen with you on his arm.  It seems to me, and I'm no psychological expert, that your  DH is scared that he is no longer 'one of the lads'. He knows exactly what he is doing and you are his verbal punch bag. I fear that until he actually grows up his behaviour won't change. Are you living in an area where men are taught from a young age that it's alright to treat their wives as 2nd class citizens? Do you have family of your own nearby?  If you took your children and walked out for a period of time, could you go and stay with them? I am trying to think of ways that will give you protection and safety, whilst hopefully getting the message through to his brain that his behaviour is unacceptable and you are no longer prepared to be used in this manner.

I speak as having a friend who was in a similar position, although without children.  She confided in me.  Off went her OH to prove he's still the 'big man' in front of all his mates.  He chose the same pub, by chance, that I had taken her out for a drink in.  She needed to be away from the home environment to be able to talk freely.  At home even without him there, she felt she could not talk.  Anyway, we got to the pub first.  Later in came OH and gang of mates.  He started mouthing off, belittling her almost to the verge of tears, hers not his.  He was being 'big, clever etc', so he thought.  Then he turned on me.  I won't say exactly what his words were, suffice to say they carried deep sexual references.  I quietly got up, walked over and stood him front of him. Then I asked him to repeat his words, like the prize idiot he was, he repeated them.  Before he knew it, he was on the floor and I brought 4 inch heels down on a somewhat tender part of his anatomy, whilst pouring his pint of beer over his head. For a few seconds his mates were silent, then one at a time they looked very sheepish and slunk away.  He was in a fair amount of discomfort, but still the message refused to sink in.  He began abusing his wife again, threatening to throttle her. I dropped to one knee, put a choke hold on him and asked very gently if he wanted to the throttled.  Apparently he didn't.  Then 2 Royal Marines, who were out for a drink, wandered over and asked if they could carry him outside. I released my hold and off he went, one RM on either side.  I have no idea what happened outside and I had no intentions of finding out.  Once he knew his wife had friends who were prepared to stand up to him, supporting her when she told him enough was enough and if he EVER behaved in that manner again, whether in public or in private, he would find his belongings out in the gutter and he could follow them, he never treated her in that way again.  His 'mates' had disappeared, his wife stood up to him and his family saw him for what he really was, a coward and a bully.  Do you have friends who would be able to give you that moral support?

Oh Annie, what a piece of ............. your ex was.  No doubt he thought he was a gift to women in that department.  Wonder what he'd have said if his 'manhood' and performance had been treated in the same manner.  Thank goodness you found the courage and the strength to walk away from him and he could no longer bully you and set such a disgusting example for his children to copy.  I am sure your children are a massive credit to YOU.  Have you found someone who treats you as you should be treated or have you been wary of meeting any one else?

Right, I'll go and watch the tennis properly.  Looks like there could be a real 'changing of the guard' this year.
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Re: P'd off rant
« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2017, 04:01:12 PM »

Old habits do die hard.  We can drift into situations that become stuck in cement.  Men sometimes have to be taken by the hand (or other
parts ;-) ) in order to 'hear' - actually, I'm not putting up with it anymore.

Maybe the way to approach is pointing out that you know that you have changed in recent years.  That you don't think you have changed together in a good way?

I often ask Himself what he likes now and what he thinks I could improve upon: he never turns the question to him though  ;D.  I'm not aware how I 'come across' to others and need reminding  :-\

The other tack might be, when he 'starts' in public, to ask his mates "would you put your wifes/girl-friends/pals down like this?" and see what the reaction is.  If he thinks that others might not like his attitude ........  :-\





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Re: P'd off rant
« Reply #52 on: July 15, 2017, 05:12:50 PM »

Well that's quite a story CaroleM. I take it you were a whole lot younger then and wouldn't consider that these days.  :-\

Not sure that violence solves anything to be honest.

Time to sit down and talk Bibby. If you find it difficult to put across things in words then perhaps write down your thoughts and let hubby read it. The written word can have a huge impact.

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Re: P'd off rant
« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2017, 06:31:30 PM »

I don't think violence is the answer but then if you were military trained that was probably a knee jerk reaction.  More likely to get you charged with assault these days though, whilst the perpetrator gets off scott free  ::)

Real men don't need to big themselves up in front of their friends to feel good about themselves, they are the ones who respect women and themselves whilst losing none of their masculinity. They are out there, I have one, have had the same one for over 40 years. I am sorry for those of you who have not yet found one as you deserve  :(
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Re: P'd off rant
« Reply #54 on: July 15, 2017, 10:03:57 PM »

Girls, in general I agree that accomplishing something by talking is the best way to handle matters.  However, there are times when only a physical show of strength works to get the message across.  It's sad when that happens and I wish that I'd never had to take such action.  I do know how it feels to be both physically and emotionally abused, albeit for a very short period of time.  An ex, with whom I had had a very relaxed, light hearted friendship with decided that it would be a good idea to prove himself the only person who could mean anything to me.  I was found on base having been well and truly worked over.  Matters were taken into the hands of a few male friends who decided that it would be an excellent idea to dole out some retribution.  I had been taken unawares from the rear and had no chance to defend myself, I had hit my head on something hard and was groggy.  One contrite coward and bully was hauled up to face me, he'd definitely been worked over.  I think though that what scared him most was me, very quietly and calmly, informing him that should he ever cross my path again I would be putting him down and it was quite possible he would not be getting up again. 

The only recent time I have had to be prepared to back up my words with action was when 3 travellers arrived on our doorstep, 'suggesting' we wanted our drive resurfaced.  Stephen had answered the door, told them their services were not required and went to close the door. I heard this conversation and went to the door. One had his foot in the doorway, the 2nd was on the path and the 3rd by the front gate.  I told the one with his foot in the door to remove it, he laughed.  Again, I told him to remove his foot or I would do it for him.  He laughed.  I took hold of his 2 pinky fingers and bent them as far back as they would go without breaking.  He removed his foot.  I then asked his colleagues if they would like to experience the same.  All 3 moved off.  They left our cul-de-sac.  It was obvious that they were quite willing to use physicality against Stephen and that wasn't about to happen.  I rang the Police and explained.  An officer came around and actually told me I'd done what they often wished they could do, all said with a smile!

Hopefully the written word will have the desired effect and those who belittle their OH's will finally realize what their 'jokes' do to the person on the receiving end of the said jokes.  It's an excellent idea and one I whole heartedly agree with.

Please don't think the worst of me.  I had taken up judo when I was 12 and kept it up until a car collision not only ended my Forces career, it ended my judo training too.  Rather than face a physical confrontation, I have walked the other way on many occasions.  Sometimes that has been hard to do.  I'm one of those people who cannot stand by and watch something happening and not do something to try to stop it.  That's just the way I am made.
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Re: P'd off rant
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2017, 06:40:05 AM »

Perhaps I should remind you Carole.  I met him in '69.  I am now 63.  He is 67 so, if he was going to grow up, hes a very late developer.  Our kids are all in their late 30's and 40's and we live in Turkey.......  I definitely don't need protection and safety.  He is a very gentle man and even when he is drunk he becomes just silly, never nasty.

We went out last night and he was considerate and more attentive than normal.  I have no way of knowing if it was because my blow-up the night before has got his attention, or if it was because I was not really joining in with the fun (maybe someone asked him if I was alright).  I wasn't feeling right, it had been a very hot humid day.  Today I have woken with a banging headache.
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Re: P'd off rant
« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2017, 01:51:21 PM »

I have to say that I feel a little uncomfortable with your long descriptions of your shows of violence strength CaroleM.  Is it really necessary to go into such detail.  I don't find it adds anything to the discussion except maybe to  show how tough you were.  Unfortunately it takes Bibby's thread completely off topic and is somewhat unhelpful.
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Re: P'd off rant
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2017, 02:12:05 PM »

I too find it a little uncomfortable.
Physical strength is unnecessary I think and nothing to be gained by the descriptions  :-\

Yes let's return to the topic in hand I think and lend some support and a helping hand to Bibby. She has now said quite a few times that her husband is a gentle man that she doesn't need protection from.

Sorry Bibby, sounds as if you had a nicer evening out. Perhaps hubby was listening after all. Hope your headache is better now.

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Re: P'd off rant
« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2017, 02:49:19 PM »

My hubby and I are having problems too Bibby. Never violent but he has a very strong personality and can be overbearing.  We've had a rough few years and he's very resentful at the hand life has dealt him.  He seems to disagree with absolutely everything I say, it's very wearing.  He can sometimes be annoying in public but for different reasons to yours,  he tends to be very protective of me in front of people which I find false as hen it's just me and him I get no sympathy or understanding.  He does sometime make comments abiut the fact we be very good abroad or have holidays because I 'can't cope' which realky irritates me.  On top of my rather unexpected disability we have both retired and together 24/7 - he is bored yet won't do anything without me.
I hope you manage to sort things out,  I find the heat makes me very tetchy and cannot imagine living in Turkey as it must be unbearably hot there.  Keep talking to each other,  we have stopped communicatng and I think that's a huge problem x
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Re: P'd off rant
« Reply #59 on: July 16, 2017, 04:25:00 PM »

Bibby - you can read, digest, decide if any suggestions suit your current situation and whether some can be shelves on an 'as necessary' basis. 

Maybe stand back and watch how he is when you are out and about in general? when shopping, out with others, at home .........

........ and breath.  People do change.  Sometimes we don't change at the same time or together.  Every so often I ask Himself if we are getting the best out of live-style and if not, what do we need to do to make it more fun etc..  "Is there untying you would like to do that we aren't doing this Summer?" is my usual start to open conversation.  We also have lists of places we would like to visit either for a few nights away or for days out .........
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