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[Bette]

  Anne B.
Bette x

[littleminnie]

How long have you been on the patches now Anne?

[mac]

Hi Anne
Sorry your having a bad day, the patches will kick in soon.  I know you couldn't take citalopram but what about a beta blocker to get you over this bad time with anxiety.  I know they worked for me, they took away the worst of it and I'm still taking them but not as much as i was.  Although I might be increasing them Thursday to get on this plane

Macxx

[Anne B]

littleminnie
Have only been on the patches since Thursday last week. Thought I would have felt a bit better than this. My symptoms seem to be slightly worse at the moment. Just desperate to see results. Been 6 months of feeling unwell.

Mac
No I haven't had betablockers. How do they help? Do they have any side effects?

Anne B

[paisley]

Hi,
    haven't been on a for a day thought I would have a day off.
How are you horsie, know the bored and couldn't be bothered thoughts.
Mac, I am so happy for you cos you seem a little better and it will get better and better.
AnneB, I am so sorry you are having another bad day. When it is relentless it feels like forever doesn't it? but it will get better, I am not just saying that YOU WILL, I am afraid that it it is still early days for your patch. It is so hard isn't it cos we don't know how much we need especially after hyster. I feel like a guinea pig and it just seems trial and error on how much I do need. Have you had your oestrogen levels checked?
I had a better day yesterday with a few minor blips, today was fine till about 3pm then suddenly a wave of sadness came over me and lasted all afternoon and evening and then the awful anger. I am not angry at anyone particular but just dropping something angers me and keep making mistakes on keyboard now and that is irritating me but before this came on today felt hungry and hadn't eaten for over 5 hrs so could have been that or am I making excuses and also only been living in Spain for nearly a year but I wonder if settling in is affecting me and also my 4 year old is upset going into school which is making me upset. Think I have written an essay now but it is so good to voice things.
Take care every one

[Anne B]

Paisley
I had my oest level tested last week and it was <70. Immediately after result came in went on the Estraderm 75 patch.
What HRT have you settled for at the moment and have you seen any improvement?
Know what you mean about getting overwhelming sadness and anger.
Got really upset today because dropped half a jar of coffee over the kitchen floor. The effort to clean it up just seemed too much. Hormones certainly do weird things to us.
I remember well the day my daughter's first day at school. Tears by the bucket load and no hormone issues to blame!
Bet the weather is a tad hotter than here. Cold and miserable - just like myself!

[littleminnie]

Anne, the Patch will kick in soon. The physical side should start to improve within the next few days.

[mac]

Hi Anne

The beta blockers were a life saver for me.  I had never expereinced panic attacks or anxiety before.  I couldn't go out, didn't want to be left on my own, frightened, agitated, couldn't sit still, pacing the floor.  The beta blockers eased that and now the Ad's are begining to have an effect.  It was like i was having surges of adrenaline/hormones and i could feel it coming.  I had very little side effects.

Hope this helps.

Macxx

[paisley]

Anne B,
            your oestrogen level sounds low to me, before hyster I was in peri menopause and on oestrogel my levels got over 900. After hyster the last time I had them done was about 6 months ago and they were 220 or so and I thought that was low but I was on premarin then.
I am now on progynova 2mg in morning and 1 mg at night. Yes I have seen some improvement but for me it is up and down, I can have some okayish days and some awful days, the thing is I never know from one day to the next
what I am going to be like.
YOU WILL FEEL BETTER SOON and will be able to get on with every day things again

[Horsie]

Anne B, I really feel for you suffering so badly at the moment and am thinking of you and hoping that you'll start to see an improvement very very soon.    My problems seem nothing in comparison.

[Anne B]

Thanks for replying ladies
Have survived visit from Sister. Love her to bits but she is a lecturer in fine art and sometimes speaks to me as if I am one of her students. Saying that,she has been a fantastic help during my recovery and makes a 70 mile round trip to see me as often as she can. Makes organic veg and chicken soup in a bid to get nutrients into me. Haven't the heart to tell her that 6 months of this has made me sick of the sight of it.

Mac
I think I will ask GP about B-blockers.Was a bit reluctant to add more things into the mix but the anxiety is overwhelming. Might wait another week to see if hormones settle a wee bit.

Paisley
Sounds as if you've had a bit of a rough time as well but glad you at least have some good days. I am just a paranoid so and so now and keep thinking what if I'm not absorbing the patch properly. I know that's irrational because I have no reason to believe that it won't work.

Littleminnie
I so hope you're right. I am taking one day at a time and always hope that the next day will be better.Trying to think positive thoughts but sometimes even thinking at all is hard!

Cheers
Anne B

[Anne B]

Horsie
Thanks for your good wishes. As I've said before I feel as if all I do these days is moan about the menopause. Everyone has their issues to deal with and I am sure that there are ladies out there much worse of than me. It's easy to become selfish when you are isolated so that is why I think this forum is invaluable for getting support and also giving it.

Thanks
Anne B

[Horsie]

Hi Anne B - I know what you mean about feeling selfish when you know that there are so many much worse off than you but it still doesn't help at the time does it?  I feel that I have become totally self absorbed, worrying about ME all the time, how do I feel, how will I feel etc.  I was never like this before    I sometimes wonder if I have become a bit OCD with it and know that I've got to get it in perspective.  When I'm having a bad period I worry that I'll always feel like this even though I know that I won't.

[JJ]

Yes Horsie, know that feeling, I'm a bit like that at mo, it's just come on in the last few days and it's frankly quite perplexing the way your fine for a good few weeks and then it's back, the oh no, here I go again and when is it going to go.

[paisley]

Feel so angry again today, just want to scream, I swear I don't know where it comes from. Everything and everyone  are annoying me at mo and I feel so tense and headachey with it and I get so angry that I just want to cry, I will have to go to pharmacy and see if they have any beta blockers and valerian need something calming. I have some cammomile tea but too hot here to drink it unless I make it as an ice tea, don't know if it would work the same. How is everyone else doing today, better than me I hope