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Rossb

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A case for no change?
« on: March 14, 2012, 05:38:57 PM »

After a second nasty experience, not with HRT but with stopping it, I thought it wise to warn others of the possible debilitating side effects by relating my experience.

After suffering the ghastly mood swings, sweats and everything else associated with the menopause for several months, I decided that quality of life was perhaps better than quantity, and decided to try HRT.  I started on Kliovance 5 years ago and immediately felt 100% better.  I have been happy and healthy, fit and active for those five years.   In spring 2011 my GP advised that I should think about coming off HRT as, with my family history (my mother had breast cancer although it was successfully treated and when she died 18 years later, it had not recurred), it could be detrimental to stay on it for any longer.  I was unaware of the need to decrease the dosage slowly, and stopped overnight.  The results were catastrophic.  Within weeks my joints were so painful I could barely walk, by the summer I could not lift a dinner plate without extreme pain. :'(  We were beginning to plan on moving our bedroom downstairs and I was feeling despondent to say the least.  I visited all 5 GP's at my local surgery and all denied vehemently the fact that it might be connected to the cessation of HRT.  I was given Ibuprofen and told it was arthritis - something 'older women' just have to put up with (I am 60 years old).   After a particularly painful day, out of sheer desperation, I decided to try going back onto HRT - I had nothing to lose at that point.  Within days I felt slight improvement, within three weeks I was back to my old self - no pain at all.

A lesson learnt I thought, but I was still aware that I should not be taking HRT at all after such a long time, so I decided to have another go, this time taking a more gradual approach.  I waited until November and started by missing one every other day for several weeks, then missing two days, then just three weeks ago I progressed to missing three days in between.  Apart from the odd flush, I felt well, until 14 days ago when I developed an excrutiatingly painful perianal abcess.  :'( :'(  I immediately suspected the lack of HRT again, but - again, my GP said it was not connected, so I spent a week on powerful but ineffective antibiotics.  I was in such pain that I ignored the GPs advice and five days ago,went back on my Kliovance every day.  I am already noticing an improvement.  Ironically, on my second visit to the GP two days ago, I was prescribed eostregen cream - I asked the same question re HRT connections, and I was told that yes, it was related and I should keep taking the Kliovance as I was clearly not suited to being without it!!  :bang: 

So that's it - I am in for the duration - nothing will persuade me to miss even one day from now on!  Not only am I convinced that quality of life is so much more important than quantity, but I shall always question my GPs decisions in future - they are clearly not infallible.

I do hope this helps others who may be facing the same situation.
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Bette

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Re: A case for no change?
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2012, 05:41:46 PM »

Hi again, Rossb.  :)
Bette x
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Rosalie

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Re: A case for no change?
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2012, 05:44:23 PM »

Hi I am almost 61 and been on hrt for about 18 years (patches) I am on a 50 patch, tried reducing, infact stayed on a 25 patch for almost 4 years but flushes started returning, luckily my doctor even though fairly young is quite happy for me to continue for at least another 5 years.
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Rossb

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Re: A case for no change?
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2012, 05:59:54 PM »

I feel properly here now!  I could type until Xmas about my beloved alpacas  - suffice to say they're a calming influence in this crazy, painful world.  After many years toiling as company director of a 24hr-a-day business, I find they're perfect for helping me to wind down.  I've taught myself how to spin their beautiful fleece and have happily replaced files and spreadsheets, with knitting needles and carding machines  ::)
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Rossb

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Re: A case for no change?
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2012, 06:42:45 PM »

Hello Rosalie - another pioneer for staying put!  So pleased you have that rare comodity - a GP who is prepared to listen to the patient more than the media   ;)      Too often we are bombarded by the scare-mongers (strangely, mostly men?) who tell us that unless we stop taking HRT we face almost certain damnation - without stopping to consider the reasons why so many of us choose to take the gamble.  The sad thing is that too many women are at the mercy of GPs who don't  consider the consequences of their actions - patients are sent away to cope with no more after care than paracetomol and an understanding pat on the hand - unfortunately menopause strikes around the time that we are considered to be 'getting on' and consequently unable to think straight.  :bang:   The older I get, the more I am convinced that we are fast approaching the time when self diagnosis is no longer a reckless, rebellious act, but an essential ingredient for self preservation - or at least the preservation of some sort of quality of life.
Phew - time for a glass of wine!  - I know, I shouldn't but...... ;)
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Bette

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Re: A case for no change?
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2012, 06:51:07 PM »

I'm very lucky in that my gp is more than happy for me to stay on HRT for as long as I want - she has patients on it in their 70s!  :D
Bette x
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Joyce

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Re: A case for no change?
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2012, 01:38:16 PM »

Hi Rossb, I know exactly what you felt like.  I was told to come off HRT but not warned about going cold turkey.  What a nightmare!  Went back on it again 8 months later. 
Then got told to come off it again by different GP last year or at least reduce it.  So cut down very gradually, but a few weeks later all the horrid symptoms started coming back again. 
My own male GP can't figure out why other GPs at surgery keep telling me to come off it.  I made an informed choice, quality of life!  Saw another GP a few weeks ago and was told I should be off HRT again!  She is now trying to get me an appointment with a menopause clinic.  Meantime I'm continuing with my HRT.
I'm on oestrogen only and found the topic on here about continued use of Oestrogen only basically ok, no increased risk of breast cancer.  Totally the opposite of what female GPs are telling me.
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one year in

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Re: A case for no change?
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2012, 03:13:35 PM »

Alpacas?  Wow!  Sounds wonderful to me! 

How did you get into that Rossb?  Where do they come from?  I met someone in Oz who had alpacas and they were so lovely!  :)
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Bette

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Re: A case for no change?
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2012, 05:20:18 PM »

Might I suggest a new "Alpacas"  thread on "This 'n' That"? I'm sure that lots of us would like to hear about them.  :)
Bette x
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Robyn

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Re: A case for no change?
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2012, 01:54:14 AM »

I'm another advocate for staying with HRT for the duration - no matter how long that is. Yes we all know that the recommended cut off point is 5 years, but what if that's not enough? I would much rather have quality rather than quantity of life, and there is no absolute certainty that staying on HRT is going to shorten your life anyway.

There are too many do-gooders who put the fear of god into women who use HRT. It's almost like they are trying to make us feel guilty for using a medication that makes us feel better. I'm sure they would be happier if we were forced to just suffer.

I've given these two examples in other posts, but my GP tells me of one of her patients who is 84 and who refuses to stop HRT because it's good for her libido (if her husband is on viagra - watch out - or maybe she has a toy boy...lol...).

The other example is a 90 year old friend of mine who was on the old high dosed HRT for 20 years from the age of 50. She is still in perfect health, so it didn't hurt her at all.
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Taz2

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Re: A case for no change?
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2012, 10:18:22 AM »

Don't we all also know of people who have smoked for years and never got lung cancer and others who smoked and died from lung cancer? It is the same with HRT - in some people you are genetically set-up to develop a disease because of long term use of HRT but another woman using exactly the same regime will be fine.

I tend to disagree with the view that it is always men who dissuade us from continuing with HRT. My meno consultant is a woman and she prefers her patients to be off HRT from the age of 60. This is someone who spends her working life seeing the upside and the downside of HRT. My GP, on the other hand, is happy to prescribe it long term and leaves the decision up to me. I find it confusing having both sets of advice I  must admit!

Taz x
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Joyce

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Re: A case for no change?
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2012, 10:46:34 AM »




my GP tells me of one of her patients who is 84 and who refuses to stop HRT

The other example is a 90 year old friend of mine who was on the old high dosed HRT for 20 years from the age of 50. She is still in perfect health, so it didn't hurt her at all.

My 80 year old neighbour is still on it, same GPs surgery as me.  She says she's tried coming off it but all the flushes etc kept coming back.  I hasten to add that this is one of the GPs who keeps telling me to come off it!

I will fight my corner!!!
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Taz2

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Re: A case for no change?
« Reply #12 on: March 17, 2012, 12:15:31 PM »

Morwenna - are you saying that without HRT we die?

Taz x
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Joyce

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Re: A case for no change?
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2012, 10:36:37 AM »

I wonder if it's more to do with GPs trying to cut costs.  Though I don't know the difference in price between HRT and AD's.  Someone on here probably will though. 
Now if there were more women in government, maybe us meno women would get more help. Just a thought!  ::)
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Linuk

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Re: A case for no change?
« Reply #14 on: June 21, 2017, 10:40:42 PM »

Hi this is my first post on here and would really be interested to know if anyone has had my problem.... I was on prempac c for 5 years without one problem it was brilliant! Then at 57 myself and my GP thought it best to change to a non bleed HRT and after many discussions we plumped for kliovance.
Because of the HRT's being quite different I was told to take the old one up to the bleed and then stop taking anything for a week or so and then start on kliovance.
I did and had an awful lot of joint pain which has started to settle (I think!) but I have the most horrendous tender breasts to the point I cannot bear to touch them, I didn't even experience this when I was pregnant!
I've tried to get a doctors appointment but none available so I have to keep calling every day. I'm not sure if I should stop taking them until I can speak to the GP but the thought of the hot flushes in this heat fills me with horror!
I really would appreciate any help.
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