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[KaraShannon]

Hi all

I'll be back to answer my threads asap this week, just been overwhelmed with work.  Correction, menopause    Correction, menopause in the modern world that doesn't allow me to sit quietly in a field or forest and meditate all day.

Anyway, getting to the point, has anyone used a facial cream that contains oestrogen (and is considered safe)? 

Curious   

[CLKD]

Why would any1 need to use a face cream with hormones in? 

[Ayesha]

It has crossed my mind too, if it does what it does down there, what would it do for an aging face. Does it even exist?? 

[AngelaH]

I have ordered and still waiting to be delivered from USA. Estriol + progesterone. I want to try too. 

[AngelaH]

Why would any1 need to use a face cream with hormones in?

OK, I believe different people have different reasons for that.

As for me I was struggling with NHS HRT for long time, with estrogen part of it, I used to be estrogen dominant in peri, but now 5 years later all my hormones dropped down excluding testosterone. I know I am very sensitive to sex hormones  and they can easily get me from any parts of my body. NHS used to treat meno symptoms with estradiol, but my post meno body just hates it, Gina from vagina nearly killed me and estradiol gel poisoned me. I asked GP to prescribe me something very weak for my VA and I got Blissel gel, which is very weak form of estrogen - estriol. After first day of using it (half of recommended dose) something magical happened to my body. My whole body started recovering, not just vagina. Since that time I use Blissel instead of estrogen (estradiol) gel.

So because face creams contain estriol I want to try to use it like a source of estriol for my body to make me feel good. 

[Hurdity]

Hi all

I'll be back to answer my threads asap this week, just been overwhelmed with work.  Correction, menopause    Correction, menopause in the modern world that doesn't allow me to sit quietly in a field or forest and meditate all day.

Anyway, getting to the point, has anyone used a facial cream that contains oestrogen (and is considered safe)? 

Curious   

Eeek! I wouldn't use any cream on the face that wasn't designed to be used there. I've noticed through googling there are some on the market that contain phytooestrogens but I mmgaine these are harmless...

Hurdity x

[Hurdity]

I have ordered and still waiting to be delivered from USA. Estriol + progesterone. I want to try too. 

Is this a face cream or one of these wellsprings type creams that say they are effective for menopause? Really  as my previous post I wouldn't risk using anything on the face that isn't designed for being used there. Maybe it's a specialised face cream? But, if it comes from USA I would be dubious because they have a different healthcare system there and not subject to the same rigorous testing and controls we have here in UK - if it hasn't been tested on the face then I wouldn't risk using it on there - but possibly will depend on the concentration of estriol.

If you like estriol then you can eg also get Ovestin or generic estriol cream though again I wouldn't risk overdosing on them beyond the dosage recommended for VA? I'm not sure there has been sufficient research into the effect of larger doses than required for VA - though I'm there should be if it could be an alternative oestrogen for menopausal symptoms....(I haven't looked extensively - just had a quick look).

Glad you're feeling better generally....

Hurdity x

[KaraShannon]

Thanks for all the replies

Yes, I noticed them online when I was looking to purchase ovestin.  I wondered if they were medically safe and recognised as such or not.  Was just getting initial viewpoints but I will check at the Newson Clinic about it when I make my appointment.

Reason I was curious is because of dark circles under the eyes lately, they come and go and seem more so on the combined patch than on the estradiol patch, but I will mention all at the Newson Clinic.

Agree that these things shouldn't be taken lightly, I just wanted to know if anyone knew if it was a thing that was (correctly) used under medical supervision.

[AngelaH]

Is this a face cream or one of these wellsprings type creams that say they are effective for menopause?

If you like estriol then you can eg also get Ovestin

Hurdity x

Yes, it’s wellspring’s face serum and it is intended to be applied to the face. It contains 0,5% progesterone and 0.11% estriol.

I do prefer Blissel, Ovestin is much stronger in compare with Blissel, 1 dose of Ovestin cream contains 500 micrograms estriol, Blissel gel contains 50 micrograms estriol. I use half of that dose, so it comes to 25 micrograms. I need very small dose and Blissel just perfect for me at least at the moment. You really can’t overdose if using estriol in such small doses.

NHS use estriol for VA treatment only, because there’s no evidence and not enough researches been done about its effectiveness for meno symptoms treatment.

Well, hormonal sensitivity is not studied too, so there is no any other option left what NHS can offer me.

[AngelaH]

But, if it comes from USA I would be dubious because they have a different healthcare system there and not subject to the same rigorous testing and controls we have here in UK -
Hurdity x

Every country has its own healthcare system, different law and regulations, but it doesn’t really mean that there’s something wrong with them.

[CLKD]

However: US food Agency Standards are not as rigorous as those in the UK!  This applies to their medical research too. 

I cannot understand any1 wanting to use a product somewhere 'else' - would 1 use 'anusol' on the lips for example where there are good vaseline products.   

Any treatment applied locally to the vagina is very unlikely to improve the rest of our bodies.  Unless there is Peer Reviewed Research ........

I would also warn against buying products that are not covered by NICE because fillers/packaging from other countries may affect the very tender facial skin. 

[HellsBells]

Aren't hormones systemic? I thought we had receptors throughout the body? Else why would we use HRT for bones?

[CLKD]

Good point.  However, which types of replacement are used?  Confused.com 

[sheila99]

I agree, US standards are often less stringent than UK ones and personally I  don't trust them much. I can see why you might want to put oestrogen on your face but why would anyone want to use progesterone? Is there a reason you m8ght want to?

[AngelaH]

I would also warn against buying products that are not covered by NICE because fillers/packaging from other countries may affect the very tender facial skin.

It’s logical thinking, I agree. I am sure  in USA ladies are advised not to buy British products because it is not covered by USA  regulations and so may be not safe for American ladies.

I don’t know if you remember about 10 years ago or so Americans fined Germany company Volkswagen, they sold to them cars, but something was not adjusted to American standards and had EU standards instead, so Americans fined the company for not following American standards when selling cars to Americans. But doesn’t it mean Volkswagen is a bad car if it has EU standards instead of American?