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Avalon

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Re: Mental health crisis
« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2020, 10:03:08 PM »

Good news. I hope each day sees improvement for you!
Corianne is correct in that it's not always just the hormones.
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corianne

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Re: Mental health crisis
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2020, 01:40:02 AM »

Thank you corinne for your kind words. Sometimes I think about self harm to take away the mental pain but know it isn't the answer. Could I ask what your sons problems were to have to take this medication. X

Hi Baby - Apologies -  I wrote a post, went to change it then deleted it! So this is a short version..

Severe Anxiety mainly, it started with puberty (before that no problems at all) his enjoyment for life drained out of him. He would burst into tears and sob for no reason and wake in the night like he had night terrors.  It progressed to self harm, destructive behaviour and harming others.

Our GP prescribed a sedative for him to take when things got really bad and I think it was her who first mentioned anti psychotics, but because he was under the Paediatricians care at the same time it needed to be prescribed by them, and although we were petrified of what the medication might do, we thought it was a risk worth taking. There was an 18 month battle to get the Paediatrician to at least try him on them, but in the end they agreed.

To our amazement  they worked! He is still on them, it's been 4 years now, and recently we have begun the process of weaning him off them to see if he still needs them, or can manage on a lower dose. We will still have the option of putting the dose up if he gets worse.
I know this isn't menopause related, but I hope it shows that even in the very worst cases, the right medication can make a world of difference  :)
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CLKD

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Re: Mental health crisis
« Reply #32 on: September 23, 2020, 08:24:27 AM »

corianne - thank you.  I have a belief that hormones can cause mental health in boys especially schizophrenia [sp].  I wonder if anyone has ever researched purity in young boys?
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corianne

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Re: Mental health crisis
« Reply #33 on: September 23, 2020, 11:22:57 AM »

corianne - thank you.  I have a belief that hormones can cause mental health in boys especially schizophrenia [sp].  I wonder if anyone has ever researched purity in young boys?

I agree!!
We looked at the time for any research to back up what we suspected and that it was hormonal, but there was very little available at the time.
We see the changes hormones can make to women in Menopause, and girls going through puberty, but  there must be some boys who suffer as well.
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CLKD

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Re: Mental health crisis
« Reply #34 on: September 23, 2020, 11:30:22 AM »

Yep. 

racgen - thinking of you
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Avalon

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Re: Mental health crisis
« Reply #35 on: September 23, 2020, 12:00:08 PM »

My youngest son, 17, suffers depression and panic attacks and is now taking medication.
My eldest son as a teenager was badly depressed after we escaped dv. Trying to get him help was a nightmare. He couldn't manage his final exams at school. At least with my youngest mental health awareness has evolved, especially with high rates of teen suicide we have in AU. He is almost through school now thanks to counselling and medication. His trigger was the arson attack we went through. I find myself highly tuned to his state of mind  :(
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Baby

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Re: Mental health crisis
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2020, 04:15:06 PM »

Rachel, how are you sweetie?x
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racjen

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Re: Mental health crisis
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2020, 04:30:46 PM »

Oh god, where to start? Two better days on Quetiapine - slept better, anxiety greatly reduced, felt in a better mood in general. Today the anxiety's crept back and I'm feeling really low, terrified that this one's not going to work either. Missing my daughters - it's pretty lonely in here, a weird mix of people and a lot of the time there's no-one around and nothing to do so bored as well.

They're expecting me to start progesterone on Sat because my prescription says '10mg days 14 - 28', but I never take it like that because I just can't tolerate that much, so I usually end up taking it with a full month in between, but only 5mg and for as long as I can tolerate it, which is usually somewhere between 2 and 3 weeks. Probably not enough, but I do get a bleed each time and no abnormal bleeding in between so I'm willing to take the risk. If I take it at the level prescribed now I'll be severely depressed within days (whereas at the moment although I'm low I can function) and that'll then make it really hard to assess what effect the Quetiapine is having. I have the legal right to refuse treatment but I'd really rather not have to go down that route as it's bound to create friction.

Horrible situation to be in - trying to explain the intricacies of menopausal moods and HRT to people who're barely aware the menopause is a thing, but who are in a position of power over me. If all else fails I can discharge myself, but I really don't want to do that because then I'll have to go and live on my own in an isolated place and I'll be at risk of suicide again. Plus if they think that's a risk they could Section me and then my rights'll be drastically reduced. Rock bottom tbh.....
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racjen

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Re: Mental health crisis
« Reply #38 on: September 24, 2020, 05:08:01 PM »

Oh yeah, and I had to go back to hospital for basic checks, blood test, ECG etc. at lunchtime. Male doctor pulls up my top and bra to put ECG stickers on, see my mastectomy scar and says 'oh, what's this - gallbladder?' To which I really should've replied ' no you tosser, they cut my fucking breast off' but my usual spark (thanks btw CLKD) failed me. Do they not teach basic anatomy these days? I actually feel really upset now, like I've been invaded...
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Mary G

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Re: Mental health crisis
« Reply #39 on: September 24, 2020, 05:10:18 PM »

racjen, having read your post, I wonder if the time has come for you to push for a hysterectomy.   I know it's a drastic step but you are clearly having problems with the dreaded progesterone.

I have suggested you try bespoke progesterone in the past but on reflection, I wonder if you should risk progesterone at all either continuously or cyclically.  I certainly don't think the fluctuations of a cycle are helping you at all.

Before making a decision, I would sound out the Newson clinic or another reputable menopause specialist but before committing to an appointment, find out if they are clued up on chemo induced menopause.  Give them a brief outline of your background and make sure they can help you before parting with any money.   From what I have read on here, induced/surgical menopause is more difficult to treat. 

Try to hang on to the fact than you did well on the Evorel 100mcg and aim to get back to that.  You would probably feel even better without the need for progesterone.

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Baby

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Re: Mental health crisis
« Reply #40 on: September 24, 2020, 05:23:28 PM »

Mary what you said reminded me that last time I saw my gp he told me he had only had one lady before me who was so poorly with meno and she had an hysterectomy which helped her.
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Baby

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Re: Mental health crisis
« Reply #41 on: September 24, 2020, 05:25:02 PM »

And sorry for calling you Rachael. I don't know what I'm doing half the time. X
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Uptick

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Re: Mental health crisis
« Reply #42 on: September 24, 2020, 05:26:36 PM »

So sorry to hear that, racjen. Are you on the Evorel patches? What progesterone are you talking about? Hormones are so powerful, I don't know why healthcare professionals can't understand that!

Wow, gallbladder?  :o
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Mary G

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Re: Mental health crisis
« Reply #43 on: September 24, 2020, 06:52:58 PM »

Baby, in extreme cases of progesterone intolerance, a hysterectomy is the ultimate solution and many women who have struggled for years experience a massive improvement from oestrogen only HRT without the need for progesterone.

Obviously this is a huge step but women should not be afraid to take this route if necessary and they have tried all progesterone options of course.
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CLKD

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Re: Mental health crisis
« Reply #44 on: September 24, 2020, 07:30:55 PM »

racjen -  would you be able to access a social worker to advocate for you.  It's surprising how soon mental health services can 'take over' someone's Life  :-\.  21st Century seems to make little distance if 'they' won't listen.

It annoys me how each speciality doesn't seem to join up the dots in that some conditions may well aggravate others.  As for the Dr not recognising a mastectomy scar, that is beyond awful. Pity I wasn't with you  :bang: ..........  :kick: how demoralising!! what happened to respect!!

Half a day at a time, keep that spark as often as possible. 

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