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CLKD

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Re: Flashing lights in eyes
« Reply #45 on: July 22, 2019, 10:25:27 PM »

As oestrogen levels drop the body may become dry, inside and out.

Rheumatoid arthritis can be kick started by pregnancy, a friend was in a wheelchair by the 7th month  :-\ with no former history: it took nearly 2 years B4 the RA settled.  It happened with all 5 of her pregnancies [no twins  ::)].

HORMONES  >:(
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Wrensong

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Re: Flashing lights in eyes
« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2019, 10:08:48 AM »

Hi Ladybt,

thanks so much for detailing your HRT history  :).  Great that at last you have a regime that suits you - but sorry you had to go through a long period of trial & error, in common with many women posting here. 

I had been kinda wondering whether the regime that fixed your dry eyes included one of the more androgenic progestogens, given what I've read recently about androgens being important for DES & what I said above about the surprise of Evorel Conti increasing my saliva production.

Unfortunately I can't seem to tolerate Utrogestan whatever the route.  Evorel Conti didn't give me bad progestogenic side effects but maybe only as I absorbed it poorly!  Probably for same reason, it didn't resolve my meno symptoms completely, though I stuck with it, as better with than without (sound like an optician!) because every alternative regime I tried was worse.  T was prescribed by a specialist  gynae from the outset but I never got around to trying it as we were still trying to get my basic HRT right.  Because my dry eye problem has worsened post-BSO & I've noticed other unwelcome changes I suspect may be due to losing the T the ovaries are said to go on producing postmenopause, I'm intending to ask about T again if I stay on HRT.  I also want to try it for energy, stamina, muscle loss, bones (oesteopenia) & libido.  Sorry - that's rather off topic.

Yes agreed - oestrogen is always said to be good for increasing moisture throughout the body, which is why I thought that optician was a dickhead mistaken  :o, for saying HRT makes DES worse.  I didn't question him at the time because I'd had the DES 25+ years, thought I was managing it OK & at that point it was no worse than it had ever been.  It was just a routine eye test - I hadn't gone asking for help with DES, so what he said didn't seem significant at the time & I continued to assume the oestrogen component of any HRT regime would only help the condition. 

A couple of years on (earlier this year) I was referred to Ophthalmology for checks on visual field - which turned out to be fine, but the Cons was instead pretty animated about the dryness & inflammation (which have recently got much worse), prescribed 2 other sorts of drops on top of those I already use & referred me to another Cons Ophthalmologist at the "anterior segment" clinic.  I saw him a few months ago - he too was pretty interested in the dryness & has referred me on to Rheumatology for investigation for the Sjogren's they both suspect.

As when I was referred to Ophthalmology I'd just gone back on HRT after 18 months without, I wanted to reassure myself that the oestrogen would only help the DES condition.  To, my surprise when I started reading up, what I found indicated that it's a deficiency of androgens they think more important in DES.  I printed out a long article & sent it to my Endo (who prescribed my latest HRT) to discuss at last appt, but somehow it got missed.  Now can't find the same article, which I thought I'd bookmarked, but have managed to turn up other, shorter ones, saying much the same.  The link below from Review of Ophthalmology (2006) is interesting, but may not be the best - I have a pile of articles but no time to go back through them this morning.

Relevant meaty bits include:-

"Recent studies have suggested that androgen deficiency may be the main cause of the meibomian gland dysfunction, tear-film instability & evaporative dry eye that are characteristic of Sjogren's syndrome, which occurs almost exclusively in women."

". . . other studies suggest that HRT worsens dry-eye symptoms . . . & oestrogen only HRT seems to be worse than combined oestrogen & progesterone therapy."

"Given what we now know about androgen deficiencies in Sjogren's syndrome & other dry-eye disorders, it seems plausible that rectifying endocrine imbalances may prove beneficial for patients with lacrimal & meibomian gland dysfunction and associated dry eye.  It has been shown that testosterone levels correlate positively with tear function in postmenopausal women . . . suggesting that postmenopausal women with DES may benefit from testosterone replacement."

https://www.reviewofophthalmology.com/article/hormones-in-dry-eye-a-delicate-balance

Phew - sorry another epic - but I hope perhaps interesting to anyone struggling with dry eye.
Wx

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Re: Flashing lights in eyes
« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2019, 10:19:27 AM »

Epics are fine  ;D what else would we do on a hot day  8)
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Re: Flashing lights in eyes
« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2019, 10:56:30 AM »

Good point CLKD  ;D
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Re: Flashing lights in eyes
« Reply #49 on: July 23, 2019, 12:29:35 PM »

The point was  ;D
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Ladybt28

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Re: Flashing lights in eyes
« Reply #50 on: July 24, 2019, 11:51:19 AM »

Wrensong - epics are good, how else do we learn anything - how do you know all this technical stuff - reading the right articles is the answer - see I have answered my own question  ;D

The utro/provera/mirina conundrum - it's really so random whatever suits.  I was given a mirina before I was menopausal and it affected my depression badly but then I had hormonal problems it turns out (hindsight is a wonderful thing huh?) from a teenager but that's in some other posts if you want to look them up.  I had to have it taken out quite quickly.  I got given one in Feb 18 but then a coincidence occurred (I got sepsis 2 weeks after it was inserted and so that got taken out in the hospital but when they tested it, it wasn't the cause!) so the mirena was removed.  I haven't tried it again needless to say!!!  Provera sent me nuts but was that cos it was continuous and would it be ok on a cycle? - wasn't going to risk that either.  I wont risk utro continuously for the same reason, but we are all so different we just need to do what we need to do and what our body will tolerate.

Personally I think the key to hrt is dogged patience and persistence and not giving up to easily.  I was not going to give up and if it all goes downhill again (which it can do) then, I will just adjust or find something else on the hrt regime until I've gone through the prescribing book!

I would have been on the "autoimmune, inflammatory" idea since a teenager but then my homone problems, depression and anxiety, aches pains, foggy head started then, progessing to prem babies, pre-eclampsia, postnatal depression, moving to nightmare meno….so connect the dots... ;D shame no medical professional did - what a waste of a life - but hey ho! Not anymore!!!  I need to pack in what I should have ben doing in the last last 40 years wasted feeling ill into the possible 20 years I have left... ;)
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Re: Flashing lights in eyes
« Reply #51 on: July 24, 2019, 12:13:23 PM »

Go GIRL!  Your bucket list is ?  ;)
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Re: Flashing lights in eyes
« Reply #52 on: July 24, 2019, 12:24:14 PM »

Nothing amazing actually CKLD - its simple things that I think most people take for grante...actually feeling good emotions and enjoying them instead of that awful numbness...learning how to enjoy stuff......doing things on a whim rather than having to plan for every eventuality.  Going out to more places...travelling more....doing stuff for me like hobbies because I will have more "time in my head" instead of just using my time to make up for the chores and daily living stuff I wasn't able to do because I felt so ill.

its not really a bucket list really...it's like coming out of a coma and having to learn to live again. I'm sure that I was "living" before I hit puberty but it was so long ago I cant really remember a time when things were good.  My counsellors used to say "fix on a time when you were truly happy" but I never really could access those thoughts cause I think they were so long ago when I was a child.  Its all a bit weird I have to say...  but yes....I think a "Go Girl" T shirt is defo in order  ;D

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Re: Flashing lights in eyes
« Reply #53 on: July 24, 2019, 01:01:20 PM »

Yep ladybt you must start to enjoy life.
My last relationship was horrible,more times than not,I'd cry myself to sleep,I used to, not pray as such but ask to just be happy ,didn't want wealth or anything glamorous just to be happy and at 48 (8 years ago now) I found it,never thought I'd find anyone but I did and I'm thankful every day for my happy life,like you,or anyone else for that matter we don't know how long we have left so I  try to enjoy every day 😊
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Re: Flashing lights in eyes
« Reply #54 on: July 24, 2019, 04:12:56 PM »

Ladybt, like you, I've spent too many years trying to manage chronic health issues - that's how my head comes to be stuffed with nerdy info that would bore the pants off most sane folk.  Imagine my posts are good for insomnia, if nothing else!

Yes, the issue of how much & what form of evil progesterone we can tolerate is vexing.  To say the least.  Recently started on MPA - new to me, having gone through Utrogestan, Norethisterone, Levonorgestrel & varying dosages of oestradiol, oral, patch, gel.  It wasn't lack of staying power that made me start to taper off late 2017 & then go 18 months without HRT, but the story behind that's not for this thread.

I'm so sorry you've had a really rough ride of it for so many years & I think you're right - we have to do what suits us best as individuals & instinct & experience can be invaluable when faced with choices about which path to go down.

I also think surviving adversity can give us a greater appreciation of the simple things in life & with that comes gratitude & a sense of wellbeing greater than we may ever have had if we'd been lucky enough instead to lead a charmed life.  Long episodes of horrible  ectopics plagued me for years in peri & I found them very unnerving.  What I wanted most during those years was simply to return to having a normal heartbeat.  Not a lot to ask, but something I'd taken for granted for most of my life before that.  When the ectopics finally went after starting HRT & a change in thyroid meds, it was a huge relief.  Will never take a regular heartbeat for granted again!  Every cloud & all that.  I wish you fun & peace of mind with your new lease of life Ladybt - I know you'll not take it for granted after all you've been through.

Jaypo, your story is very touching & I wish you many, many years of happiness with your new partner.

Sorry ladies, a meander again - just can't resist replying when someone raises something interesting!
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Re: Flashing lights in eyes
« Reply #55 on: July 24, 2019, 05:49:21 PM »

Thank you wrensong 💕❤️ And your posts aren't for insomnia btw,they're very helpful to many xxx
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Re: Flashing lights in eyes
« Reply #56 on: July 25, 2019, 08:24:44 AM »

I've noticed in the last 6+ months that as I wake my eyes seem to be dashing from left to right until I am properly awake  :o  whilst my eyes are shut.
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Wrensong

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Re: Flashing lights in eyes
« Reply #57 on: July 25, 2019, 09:43:12 AM »

Thank you Jaypo  :-*!  Tbh, I'm not working at the mo & really miss that sense of being part of a team doing something worthwhile, so it's good to give the little grey cells a prod to look at someone else's problems instead of ruminating on my own.  We can waste a lot of our lives flinging bits of haystack dementedly behind us, so it makes sense to offer up a needle when we've found one.  Even though it may not be quite the right pointy, shiny one someone else is looking for!
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Re: Flashing lights in eyes
« Reply #58 on: July 25, 2019, 10:26:52 AM »

Before meno hit me like a ton of bricks, I was always a happy go lucky kinda gal. Nothing ever bothered me, not even when somebody said bad things, it would  just go over my head...and having two boys to deal with some days were a challenge. I'd always be up for going out, anywhere, wheather planned or not....BUT, when this hit me, I changed, didn't want to go anywhere, it was almost like I was scared, of what!? .....everything any one said I would over analyse it, making my anxiety even worse, and so my life for the last 4/5 years has been pretty sedate....but now this hrt has kicked in and I only have to deal with a tiny little bit of anxiety when it does get me, I want to start going out again, I had a night out with Jaypo and her hubby, 1st time out at a pub at NIGHT time, in a long time, and I really enjoyed it. So I can take from that, that I'm getting back to how I used to be.....so if you feel you can do it Ladybt, go for it, little steps and all that, but when we start to feel better we have to push ourselves be cuz we get stuck in a rut, and only then do we realise we CAN do it......xx
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Ladybt28

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Re: Flashing lights in eyes
« Reply #59 on: July 25, 2019, 10:48:18 AM »

hey Wrensong - MPA progesterone is trade name Provera - out of every medication, I have ever had that is the worst.  Sent me off my head totally and there is post here on the forum from last August called "screaming inside" that charts that particular episode.  Although in the past I have always had suicidal thoughts with the depression, that was only the second time in my life when I wrote a note to my family, and made full blown plans - beyond scary.  Glad its working for you though. 
I wish there was more understanding of the progesterone thing and I don't think there are enough "separate" progesterone medications available to be able to mix and match.  If you are peri it is assumed bodies are "supposed" to use the drugs as dispensed by the pills patches and balance accordingly but the practice just does not support this.  When you are in full blown meno the scale of advice from so called professionals becomes quite limited in my experience...it just seems inconceivable to most of them that women would choose to continue with hrt...what I mean is...they find it inconceivable that women would need to have hrt past meno be able to live at all.

I have had discussions with Birdy on the forum about out ideas that there are big changes going in homone levels of the general population which has changed the landscape significantly for more people than in times past but scientific research has not kept up.  Decreased fertility, body shape changes, bad menopause, bad pmt in younger women, postnatal depression, increased impotence, increase in mental health issues generally - many or if not all if the right research was done could well be down to hormonal changes in the bodies of the general population but that's only my theory.

Its not so much a new lease of life jillydoll - its relearning what it is like to have a life and to relearn how having a life makes you feel.  My conditioning over 40 years is going to take some undoing.  I can do more things, now I need to believe that it is safe to do them and the sky will not come crashing in or the universe slap me down for doing them as has been the majority of my experience over the years.  Obviously my reactions over those years were governed by hormones affecting my head and were not really much inside my control despite lots of counsellors saying it was and "if you only......think....more positively....." etc etc. But us ladies all know that its not that simple cos if it was we would not all fall out of bed every morning having a panic attack and with a sense of unbelievable doom!!!!  We are being governed by our body chemistry and no amount of positive thinking will recreate what we have lost without some drugs to do it xxx
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