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Re: Gilbert's disease
« Reply #30 on: July 15, 2019, 03:31:19 PM »

Ovary removal is certainly a shock to the body. There are many studies on ovariectomised animals showing that the brain response to fear, stress, anxiety and depression can be impaired. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3697241/

Mr. Panay's team sounds brilliant, make sure you have all your medical history written down, including your Gilbert's diagnosis. Good luck  ;)

BeaR.
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Re: Gilbert's disease
« Reply #31 on: March 05, 2024, 03:55:16 PM »

Hello.
I am picking up your feed from years ago ... maybe you are still around for me to ask you a question ... I have Gilbert's Syndrome and am on HRT. I've suffered terrible side-effects from utrogestan (depression and suicidal ideation - it was truly awful) GP's only answer was to stop prescribing me HRT unless I continue to take Utrogestan. Not great and I am afraid I have found my GP to be very poor at helping me with this.

What was the outcome of your investigations? Did you find a way to make your HRT work for you?  I want a hysterectomy tbh, so that I can take HRT without progesterone element. But NHS has refused. I appealed, but they refused again. I found your thread and it's been helpful. If you are still around on the forum, I would love to know how things got resolved for you...
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« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2024, 04:03:00 PM »

Hi Joe-Bean - have U asked your GP to refer you to a dedicated menopause clinic? Not to a Gynae as they often don't know much more than some GPs seem to.

In the mean time keep a mood/food/symptom diary to chart progress.  How old are U?  Who over-sees your Syndrome? 

Many find progesterone part of the regime difficult, I believe that 1 can have a long cycle with regular scans of the womb.  Have U actually been referred for a. hyesterectomy or did your GP simply refuse to refer you?   U may find 'hyster-sisters' website of use too.

Let us know how you get on.
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« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2024, 08:20:54 PM »

I don't think she's posted for a long time but she's still a member so it might be worth sending her a pm? If I remember correctly she gave up on hrt because she couldn't get oestrogen into her system. I think the last posts were about the oestrogen implant but her body formed a cyst round it so she couldn't get anything from that either.
  Have you tried other forms of progestin? It's just possible you'll tolerate something else a bit better. If you haven't been referred to a meno clinic I would ask for it as this is probably beyond what a gp can deal with. Cyclogest, lutigest and provera are sometimes tolerated better than utro. I wish you luck, this thread doesn't make it sound very promising :(.
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« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2024, 01:19:58 PM »

Thanks for lovely replies. Very kind.

I was referred to Menopause Specialist Clinic, Oxford, but that was before I realised my high bilirubin levels (normal is up to 20 and mine are 48!) They weren't terribly helpful I am sorry to say. A phone call, twice over six months and the second call was a new doctor who hadn't read my notes, so was just a rerun of my first call. Plus my GP didn't send on my blood test results, even though she told me she had them but couldn't understand them and I should wait for my specialist to see them. Go figure!!

The whole experience wasn't very positive to be honest and I feel very alone in this.

My GP didn't even mention my very high bilirubin - luckily I can see my results on the NHS app because they are sky high.

So I am researching and that's how I came across this thread. I am 53 and have been suffering now for 3 years. I am self employed and have had to cut back my hours by 50% to be able to cope with life. It's difficult.

Hey ho. Onwards. There's some new dietary stuff to try and I am learning a lot. Maria Allerton in Australia has some great resources for anyone who is facing this.

Thanks for your replies. I do appreciate them.
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Re: Gilbert's disease
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2024, 04:04:02 PM »

JoeBean - that's awful. 

Sorry that the Clinic wasn't any help, that isn't good enough either  >:(.  No wonder you feel alone. 
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« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2024, 08:05:11 PM »

I have Gilbert's Syndrome which I inherited from my father.  My sister has it too.

I didn't know I had it until about 17 years ago and the levels vary on blood tests but I don't think it is without symptoms as is sometimes suggested.  It certainly complicates oral HRT so it's best to go for transdermal forms.  I also think the effects worsen with age particularly the fatigue and the IBS.  You will find that colds affect you badly too.  I never did understand how someone could have "a bit of a cold" because I always had a lot of a cold and felt absolutely dreadful for ages.  One of the many reasons I moved to Spain was to avoid the endless colds I used to catch.

Do you have direct, indirect and total bilirubin checked every year?  Not that there is anything you can do about it!
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Re: Gilbert's disease
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2024, 09:52:33 AM »

Hello.

I don't routinely have my bilirubin levels checked, but I am going to start now that I realise that high bilirubin levels are a sign that your liver is not coping with what it is having to process. I also need to get the bottom of this for my lovely daughter so she doesn't suffer as I have.

Now I know more about how Gilbert's Syndrome effects my body it makes sense that I had endometriosis, an ovarian cyst the size of a cantaloupe melon (removed by oopherectomy) and heavy, painful periods with clots. These are all caused by high oestrogen levels because my liver cannot process oestrogen like women without Gilbert's Syndrome - the oestrogen stays in my system and causes problems.

For anyone else struggling with this - I have discovered that with Gilbert's Syndrome, the body is unable to process oestrogen fully, so it gets returned to the body and ends up in the gut, causing loose, pale stools and faecal urgency. The body gets overloaded, I have itchy skin flare ups too. I am exhausted and have suffered very painful joints for 3 years now.

Every peri/menopausal woman with Gilbert's Syndrome should be...

1. taking Calcium D Glucarate (helps liver function) and Zinc, but also potentially a probiotic with BIFIDO in it to help balance the gut flora that gets thrown off by all the oestrogen floating about your gut.
2. taking the lowest transdermal dose of oestrogen that you can to cope with your meno symptoms. Don't take oral oestrogen because your liver can't cope with it.
3. avoiding fat soluble vitamins like B3, A, K as they have to be processed by the liver and your liver is likely already overloaded.
4. eating no/very low saturated fat, your liver can't process it. Healthy fats all ok.
5. reducing alcohol intake to minimal amounts or none - so that you don't overload your liver.
6. avoiding taking paracetamol or ibuprofen (or any meds) unless you really have to.
7. avoiding high intensity cardio exercise as this causes bilirubin spike. Do weights, yoga and walking instead.

Progesterone doesn't seem to be processed in the same way by the body (the liver glucoridation pathway) so I am not sure why my first primary symptom was progesterone intolerance. I now take bio identical progesterone 100mg (1 x utrogestan tab) every other day, inserted vaginally (as recommended by Dr Louise Newson). This works for me. Not taking things orally reduces the stress on your liver. Perhaps progesterone was just another medication in a bodily system that was already struggling ... just too much.

GPs just don't know about this and are not interested. They just say come off HRT, but then you get all the night sweats, heart palpitations, etc that come with menopause. And if you don't take HRT you lose all the protections it gives a woman with regard to osteoperosis, Alzheimer's and heart disease.

The solution is not to come off HRT, but to find as many ways as you can to support your liver so that HRT works for you.

I really hope this helps someone else. There isn't much research around Gilbert's Syndrome as medical schools routinely teach that there are no symptoms. Sufferers can tell you that there are indeed symptoms. Serious, life-altering ones.

I am still on my journey and will report back if I find out anything new on this subject and to let you know if I finally overcome my exhaustion, brain fog, joint pain and IBS symptoms - none of which I ever had before menopause.

Thanks for this forum.
Thanks for your kindness.
xx xx

PS Here is a really helpful podcast from Australia https://www.fxmedicine.com.au/podcast/gilberts-syndrome-maria-allerton-n%C3%A9e%C2%A0shaflender
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Re: Gilbert's disease
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2024, 10:49:42 AM »

 :thankyou:  .......... let us know how you get on.  Which specialist would over-see this condition?  Endocrinologist? 
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« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2024, 12:34:31 PM »

JoBean. As I said I have Gilbert's Syndrome but don't have the problems you describe. I don't drink alcohol or take ibuprofen and I take zinc and probiotic anyway.
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« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2024, 02:12:41 PM »

JoBean. As I said I have Gilbert's Syndrome but don't have the problems you describe. I don't drink alcohol or take ibuprofen and I take zinc and probiotic anyway.
Yeah, not for you. More for anyone else who finds this thread as I did and could do with knowing what I've so far discovered. Cheers.
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« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2024, 02:20:03 PM »

Thanks JoBean, I'm sure this information will be useful to others  :).
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« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2024, 07:43:14 PM »

JoBean. As I said I have Gilbert's Syndrome but don't have the problems you describe. I don't drink alcohol or take ibuprofen and I take zinc and probiotic anyway.
Yeah, not for you. More for anyone else who finds this thread as I did and could do with knowing what I've so far discovered. Cheers.

My bilirubin has never been mentioned since the day I was told I had Gilbert's syndrome. It's strange. If it wasn't that my cousin has it I'd wonder if it was a mistake
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« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2024, 12:48:58 PM »

JoeBean, thanks for all that information, it's very useful.  I definitely have flare ups because very occasionally my bilirubin levels are normal. When I had a full Bupa health check at work in 2000, my bilirubin level was borderline and just about normal so it has definitely got worse since the menopause.

There are a few positives with Gilbert's and apparently it does protect you from some diseases.

Please keep up updated the your progress and on any new Gilbert's info.
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« Reply #44 on: March 27, 2024, 03:21:38 PM »

I am so glad to find this thread as was diagnosed with GS at 17 and despite too many doctors saying it's not a problem it has been totally debilitating at times of high stress and when my sleep is bad. Has HRT helped with GS symptoms?
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