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Conolly

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« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2018, 06:39:42 PM »

Hello ladies,

Citation: The Pharmaceutical Journal, December 2018, Vol 301, No 7920, online DOI: 10.1211/PJ.2018.20205864

Pharmacy should take Brexit lead

As discussions continue over the relationship the UK will have with the EU, pharmacy bodies must do what they can to protect the interests of patients, whichever form of Brexit emerges. At the time of writing, members of parliament are debating the UK's future relationship with the EU. As the nation is poised to find out whether the prime minister Theresa May's deal will pass through the House of Commons, these discussions will doubtlessly continue.

Out in the real world — whether ‘Brexiteer' or ‘Remainer' — pharmacists could be forgiven for a sense of ennui over the whole enterprise. But that would be a mistake. May's favourite phrase may be the spectacularly vacuous “Brexit means Brexit”, but parliamentary decisions now will have consequences for medicines supply and drug development in the UK for years to come.
Of course, stockpiling and the potential role of pharmacists in substituting drugs to manage shortages of medicines after a ‘no deal' departure is the worst-case scenario and this has received the most attention thus far. But even the softest of Brexits could mean significant changes to the provision of healthcare in the UK. Indeed, it started happening some time ago, with the European Medicines Agency (EMA) headquarters moving from London to Amsterdam following the Brexit vote. The EMA has already rolled back its day-to-day work to enable the relocation, and the UK's Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency has had its evaluation work for new drugs shifted to other EU countries.

May did promise earlier in 2018 that the UK would be prepared to pay for access to the EMA and similar EU bodies, but the deal on which the House of Commons will vote says simply that “cooperation will be explored”. And it's not just regulatory bodies that will be affected. As the Brexit debate rumbles on, it has become increasingly apparent how intertwined healthcare provision in the UK is with the rest of the continent — from clinical trials to mutual recognition of qualifications; from healthcare staff, including pharmacists, to ‘just-in-time' delivery mechanisms for medicines. The Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry points out that 37 million packs of medicines are imported into the UK from the EU each month, and 45 million packs move the other way. Regulatory divergence could add £45,000 to the cost of each new medicine released in the UK, potentially making it an unattractive market for specialised medicines, according to the House of Commons business, energy and industrial strategy committee.

The risks to health could be so grave that the British Medical Association (BMA) and the Royal College of Nursing have both backed calls for a second referendum, following the government's proposed Brexit deal. In pharmacy, the Royal Pharmaceutical Society (RPS) has chosen not to back this particular call, but its president has been front and centre on news bulletins, talking about the risks that Brexit could pose to patients.

The Pharmaceutical Services Negotiating Committee has created a Brexit Forum, which includes the RPS, the Company Chemists' Association, the National Pharmacy Association, the Pharmacists' Defence Association and others. However, it only held its first meeting in September 2018, less than six months before Brexit is due to happen.

It is essential that pharmacy's voice is heard in these discussions. Perhaps taking a position similar to the BMA's would be too political, but it is also abundantly clear that the profession must continue to speak out about the effect that Brexit could have. It is extremely difficult to cut through the din surrounding Brexit, but scrutiny and campaigning from pharmacists, pharmacy bodies and their colleagues across healthcare in the UK is needed if the most vital group of people — patients — are to be placed as centrally as possible in considerations of the UK's future relationship with the EU.

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Katejo

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« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2018, 07:44:12 PM »

It automatically sets a time for the next prescription which will be the same if you order straight away or in two weeks - so I order as soon as it is time - if I do that each time, then I am well in hand and that irons out any problems with the chemists or bank holidays/xmas.  If I kept doing it, I would end up with a small stock  ::)
You say that you would end up with  a small stock if you kept doing it. I think my practice would postpone issue of the prescription until a GP allowed it. I could test this by trying to order more Vagifem now. i suspect that no prescription would be sent. My last box says use daily for 4 weeks and then twice a week for 3 months. I only got that because the hospital doctor authorised it.
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Kathleen

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« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2018, 08:23:39 PM »

Hello ladies.

Thank you for such an informative post Conolly.

 Naturally everyone is concerned about scare mongering but saying it will be alright is no comfort  when we can see the shambles unfolding before us.

I'm pleased that some ladies have been able to get the medicines they need and I genuinely hope that continues however any pharmacies that are out of stock will simply send their patients to the ones that do have a supply and what happens when their stock runs out? Obviously I hope we don't have any problems but from where I'm sitting hope is all I have!

Take care everyone.

K.

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Conolly

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« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2018, 08:48:19 PM »

Hello Kathleen,


I agree. It's a monumental task involving many actors and extensive resources. The repercussions will be felt for years as specific deals are going to take time to settle.


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Shadyglade

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« Reply #19 on: December 30, 2018, 09:15:55 PM »

Your right, it is a mess.

I have just been reading about the company the government has hired, and paid millions, to proved extra freight ferries after Brexit. Apparently they have no previous experience in this area. A 13.8 million contract, no ships and no trading history.


You couldn't make it up.  ::)
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Katejo

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« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2018, 09:24:32 PM »

Hello Kathleen,


I agree. It's a monumental task involving many actors and extensive resources. The repercussions will be felt for years as specific deals are going to take time to settle.


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Yes and I would  be pretty unhappy if my epilepsy were to return after over 35 years of being seizure free simply because of a sudden lack of medication. Plenty of others would be in a similar situation.
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Katejo

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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2018, 09:26:16 PM »

Your right, it is a mess.

I have just been reading about the company the government has hired, and paid millions, to proved extra freight ferries after Brexit. Apparently they have no previous experience in this area. A 13.8 million contract, no ships and no trading history.


You couldn't make it up.  ::)
Yes I heard about that too. If that company cocks it up......!
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Conolly

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« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2018, 09:29:14 PM »

Hello Katejo,


I expect that first priority drugs won't be an issue as any shortages would impose a great burden on patients and the NHS.


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Joaniepat

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« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2018, 10:13:36 PM »

Type 1 diabetics not able to access their usual meds in some areas already. Its a very frightening possibily life threatening situation for them. It's not clear yet if it's due to brexit however we've never had this situation before in relation to these meds and medical devices so we strongly suspect it is

I note that Mrs May is a type 1 diabetic, and doubt she has any problems accessing her usual meds.....
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Shadyglade

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« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2018, 08:40:56 AM »

It's not just drugs we have to worry about. One in twenty NHS staff is an EU national. If they go home or are in anyway diswaded from staying, all NHS services will be affected.
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JaneinPen

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« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2018, 09:32:02 AM »

Hi Katejo.  Our daughter was advised to get a double prescription of her epilepsy medicine when she went for her repeat prescription at the surgery pharmacy
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CaptJaneway

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« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2018, 11:41:54 PM »

If post Brexit there is a shortage of drugs the UK ordinarily import from the EU, there will be GLUT of those drugs IN the EU!

Will they want to be stuck with them.......I doubt it. Will EU countries want to be unable to obtain the drugs WE export to them.....I doubt it.
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Shadyglade

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« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2019, 12:20:00 AM »

It's not really about wanting or not wanting to import /export. It's about customs delays caused by a no deal Brexit.
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CaptJaneway

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« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2019, 06:18:31 PM »

https://www.sps.nhs.uk/category/shortages-discontinuations-and-expiries/  Pages such as these are easy to find (this one mentions the Epipen shortage of 2018).

Some of it is down to patent expiry NOT Brexit stockpiling, but it's far, far too easy for staunch 'remainers' to cast blame in that direction.

I know of one manufacturers of a certain 'often used' drug that has switched supplier for a particular ingredient & must go through the whole licensing process again, hence it will be unavailable for several months. Brexit, no, not at all.

Germany is one of the biggest manufacturers of drugs in the world, I can assure you they DO NOT only supply to EU member states, they transport worldwide & post Brexit the UK will be one of their worldwide customers, there was life before the channel tunnel you know!

Don't be a victim (of scaremongering), be a survivor. Check back over drug shortage sites for a few years, this is not peculiar to a Brexit vote.
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Shadyglade

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« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2019, 06:38:26 PM »



Don't be a victim (of scaremongering), be a survivor. Check back over drug shortage sites for a few years, this is not peculiar to a Brexit vote.
I don't know who you are but you are extremely cheeky, if not down right rude.

There are rules on this forum. I suggest you read them.
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