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[zen]

Thanks  very much everyone again for your further replies.

That's interesting GypsyRoseLee that you found the 4 pumps of estrogel and the 7 days per month of utrogestan and the testosterone is working for you most of the time.  I am pleased for you.  I am pretty much progesterone intolerant so am not sure I could tolerate that much progesterone.

Yes I am definitely thinking of changing GP's if not GP practices.  Yes I agree the GP I saw was arrogant and ignorant.

Thanks vickypk.  How did you feel on Proff Studds regime when you said you felt much worse?  I'm glad exercising is helping you.  Unfortunately I have ME/CFS so can't exercise and it also has a lot of symptoms so its very hard to work out what symptoms belong to the ME/CFS, the menopause and my underactive thyroid and HRT side effects etc!  A bit of a nightmare to untangle! I just know before the menopause/underactive thyroid although I had ME/CFS I was a million times better mood wise and had much more energy and didn't fell half so ill

Thanks Sue LW re the Health Unlocked forum info re my thyroid. I'll look into that. I have seen endocrinologists who were hopeless (just look at your blood test results and completely ignore your symptoms).  I think a lot of people with thyroid problems are being forced to go it alone and self-medicate. which is not easy when you are feeling awful. A disgrace really.

Anyway thanks soo again to all you lovely ladies for all your replies:-)

zen

[vickypk]

Hi zen
Thanks for your reply. I really wanted Prof Studd's prescribed HRT to work. Oestrogel 2-3 pumps per day,, utrogestan for 7 days per month and testosterone gel each day. So disappointed, tried that for a few months. I felt terrible, the days on the progesterone I ended up in bed with terrible cramps. I came off of that and thought that was it. Then tried evorel conti, took a few months to settle but better on that. Think Prof Studd's regime is better really. Hope you feel better. Vickyx

[cazjen44]

After lots of different hrts this year, I've seen a specialist whose put me on Sandrena oestrogen gel 1mg and Utrogestran 100mg orally at night.  I'm a month into taking this regime and already the progesterone is not agreeing with me!  The oestrogen gel seems ok..I think!  Both these are like bio identicals so the specialist said.  I want to know why progesterone causes so much unpleasantness! 

I was fine for 16 years on Prempak C and due to it being stopped by the manufacturer, I've had a whole year of upset trying to find a replacement.

Surgical menopause at age 31, now 48.  No ovaries but still have womb.

[Ladybt28]

Cazjen - I too was on Prepak C for years - I have answered another post of yours about the progesterone and said similar to what I have posted here.  Progesterone seems to be the thing most women have trouble with and even more so on a continuous regime without a bleed.  Do you take your Utrogestan orally or vaginally?  What are the issues that the progesterone is throwing up for you?

To be honest it may only be a month and you feel rough but you need to try and do at least 3 months so that the gel and the Utrogestan start to balance.  I am coming up to the end of my 3 months on a "new" regime and am really only realising what as settled and what is still a problem.  I was all for throwing in the towel at the end of the first 6 weeks.

[Katejo]

Thanks  very much everyone again for your further replies.

That's interesting GypsyRoseLee that you found the 4 pumps of estrogel and the 7 days per month of utrogestan and the testosterone is working for you most of the time.  I am pleased for you.  I am pretty much progesterone intolerant so am not sure I could tolerate that much progesterone.

Yes I am definitely thinking of changing GP's if not GP practices.  Yes I agree the GP I saw was arrogant and ignorant.

Thanks vickypk.  How did you feel on Proff Studds regime when you said you felt much worse?  I'm glad exercising is helping you.  Unfortunately I have ME/CFS so can't exercise and it also has a lot of symptoms so its very hard to work out what symptoms belong to the ME/CFS, the menopause and my underactive thyroid and HRT side effects etc!  A bit of a nightmare to untangle! I just know before the menopause/underactive thyroid although I had ME/CFS I was a million times better mood wise and had much more energy and didn't fell half so ill

Thanks Sue LW re the Health Unlocked forum info re my thyroid. I'll look into that. I have seen endocrinologists who were hopeless (just look at your blood test results and completely ignore your symptoms).  I think a lot of people with thyroid problems are being forced to go it alone and self-medicate. which is not easy when you are feeling awful. A disgrace really.

Anyway thanks soo again to all you lovely ladies for all your replies:-)

zen

Would just changing GP's (as opposed to  the practice) actually help? At mine it is virtually impossible to see my allocated GP. I think she is part time and is never available for advance bookings as far as I can see. She told me that she does phone appointments which I don't like because the practice can never give a precise time for the call (only something like between 10am and 6pm).
I saw an endocrinologist a few years ago who told me that only patients with hyperthyroidism get such referrals. Hypo is managed by the GP.

[zen]

Hi Thanks again for your replies.

Really sorry you are having a hard time with the progesterone Cazjen.  I can empathise with that.

I phone Proff Studd's office and spoke to Dr Watson who said he would write to my GP and ask for my hormone levles to be measured.  The Doctors in my GP's practice have been hopeless over the years so I think it is definitely time to change practices.  They refuse to believe my depression is being mainly caused by the menopause and my underactive thyroid being diagnosed nine years ago.  I was fine before then.....

Hope all you ladies are having more luck with your GP's!

zen x

[Bo]

Thanks so much for your replies. It is awful! I know re the thyroid med (T3).  I am sure it is because of the cost! The GP I saw said to order it from the internet! It ridiculous...….Unfortunately the Dr who said I needed it has now passed away.

You may be right re cost. I am on Levothyroxine which is T4 because I convert to T3 ok, but those that don't convert well need T3. My GP told me that a single patient on liothyronine (Cytomel) costs the NHS several thousand ££ a year (because of how much the Pharma company sells it to them!) but the same thing is available via the internet much cheaper. I suppose it's possible that your NHS Trust is on a 'cost-cutting' exercise. Doesn't make it right though.
Alternatively, you could try buying natural dessicated thyroid or NDT, which i buy from Thailand, no prescription (I take a combo of Levothyroxine & NDT every day). NDT has a quite high level of T3 in it. There are support groups for taking NDT, such as 'stop the thyroid madness' and other groups on Facebook. Hope this helps. 

[CLKD]

If my GP even suggested such issues my response would be 'that is your problem, don't make it mine!'.  Check what NICE have to say about it?

[zen]

Making a bit of progress!  Saw my old GP (who has been off sick for a long time) and he has agreed I can have estrogel and stick on Proff Studd's regime and has agreed to my hormone levels being measured.  He has also agreed to send me for thyroid ultrasound scan as I feel like I have a lump in my throat. Probably as my thyroid condition has been so badly managed over the years .  At least I feel I'll get a better idea of what is going on as I've felt awful for so long.

Thanks again for all your replies:-)

zen x

[CLKD]

Tnx for the update.

I read in the Telegraph today how badly patients with thyroid problems are being [not]treated, due to some regions cost cutting due to the drug costing £9+ per patient  but surely, if a patient is stable on medication, the overall effect costs less