Hi daisy dot and ladybird, I will look for the book and will definitely look into both your suggestions, I as to have my bladder lifted 16 years ago as my pelvic floor literally would not workmates i had my fourth child 23 years ago,I have had physio, cones and do my exercises every day but have next to no feeling in my pelvic floor. I am on vagifem, silk, fish oils and b12 and vitamin c and levothyroxine as I have an interactive thyroid. Thanks again xx