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[CLKD]

You're missing my point Limpy.  Our Emergency Services are stretched enough.  So not having large groups of people in un-necessary places will ease that situation.  I suggest that New Years' Eve celebrations are not necessary, there are other ways to 'celebrate' should 1 want to.  It is almost impossible to check people attending such an event. 

Proms in the Park etc. need to have good security ……..

[Joyce]

Thing is you'll never stop people congregating for such events. Police etc have a hard job at house parties too. Too much to drink, arguments start & it snowballs from there. If cities etc were to ban public celebrations, it'll just move to other places like house parties etc. Events happen in pubs & clubs too, should they close too?

[Taz2]

What about sport fixtures CLKD? it costs a lot to police them too. What a boring life it would be if we could only celebrate with close family and friends!!

Taz x

[CLKD]

Sports fixtures etc.: I expect those to be Policed accordingly, we shouldn't suddenly have 'extra' security !  Belgium has been on the highest alert since Paris ……..  what happens next?  High alert should be that, policing to keep the public as safe as possible.

[Joyce]

Big football matches require extra police on duty. Leave gets cancelled so they have enough. Extra police pound the beat on normal Friday & Saturday nights too. Can't stop folk going out to let their hair down.

[Taz2]

 " ……. I know that many people congregate in public spaces to 'see in' the New Year.  However, with the upheaval in the World right now and with our security and Police Forces etc. stretched, should it be avoided this year?  Some would say that by not continuing daily life 'as normal' what ever that is; is 'giving in' to those who don't like our style.  However, I feel that our Police and other Emergency Services have enough to do without the worry of possible atrocities in UK Capital Cities"

Just to get back to your original point - you seem to be saying that something like a New Years Eve gathering shouldn't be allowed but that large sports fixtures can go ahead? I don't understand the difference to be honest. Neither of these things are necessary for survival but one is ok and the other isn't?

Taz x

[CLKD]

You are missing my point.  Enclosed, ticketed events should be more secure because everyone in and out can be screened.  Open events such as New Years Eve are impossible to secure as effectively.  New Years Eve can be 'celebrated' anywhere and not necessarily, nor is it essential, to be in public spaces.

[limpy]

Open events such as New Years Eve are impossible to secure as effectively. 

CLKD - How do you secure things like the Boxing Day sales, they can get quite busy. The same applies to any shopping environment in the run up to Christmas. Life goes on, it's not possible to secure absolutely everything. 

[CLKD]

Each store is entitled to allow who they want into their store.  No Manager has to serve anyone.  We got used to having bags searched in the late 1960s/70s/80s ……. of course, the Government has shot itself in the foot over this one by banning carriers  - whereas if one was asked not to take ruck-sacks, shoppers etc. with us but to take free bags from the stores at least there is less likely-hood that a device could be carried into a shopping area.

Scanners could be built into each door way ……. it was noticeable that all spectators were scanned prior to being allowed into the Davis Cup event in Ghent …….. and aren't people scanned at air-ports?

[limpy]

Each store is entitled to allow who they want into their store.  No Manager has to serve anyone.  We got used to having bags searched in the late 1960s/70s/80s ……. of course, the Government has shot itself in the foot over this one by banning carriers  - whereas if one was asked not to take ruck-sacks, shoppers etc. with us but to take free bags from the stores at least there is less likely-hood that a device could be carried into a shopping area.

Scanners could be built into each door way ……. it was noticeable that all spectators were scanned prior to being allowed into the Davis Cup event in Ghent …….. and aren't people scanned at air-ports?

Umm - I'm sure scanners could be built into doors.
As a matter of interest who would be responsible for paying for the installation of these scanners, or more to the point, the operation of such kit?

[Hurdity]

As we have seen in Paris CLKD - ticketed events (sports stadia, concert halls) are not secure and random terrorist acts at sparsely populated cafes I the open air  were and can still be carried out.

We cannot police against all of this. Nor should we cancel any public event that normally takes place. As I said earlier in this thread, none of the celebrations and events we do as a civilised society are essential. We cannot simply police ourselves against those determined to instil terror and destroy our way of life. We have to rely on the security forces and intelligence and the measures we have in place to help prevent the worst atrocities - but sadly they will continue to happen - whether or not New Year celebrations are cancelled. You also cannot install scanners at every venue either!

Hurdity x

[CLKD]

Why not - they are at airports ……….. and the Stores can well afford to fit scanners etc. at doorways. 

[limpy]

Are scanners required to get into airports or just to get on planes?

Even if scanners did appear at all shop entrances (BTW who pays for this?) somebody would need to know how to operate them, staffing and training would be required. Again more expense.

Picture the scene, 7.30 am 23rd December outside local Supermarket, people are going to be really happy about queueing to be scanned before they can get their Christmas food shopping done.

[Dorothy]

Each store is entitled to allow who they want into their store.  No Manager has to serve anyone. 

Who would the managers decide to 'allow' in? Anyone who doesn't 'look like' a terrorist?  Problem is, I've seen pictures of a lot of terrorists, and very few of them 'look like' terrorists.  A couple I really would not want to meet on a dark night, but most of them look like the kind of folk I'd be chatting to in the queue at the Post Office!

[CLKD]

It might Bcome routine though.  It's the time we live in sadly …… and if it means people are more secure ………. after all, it became routine in NI ;-).