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I know this is old but Joziel are you actually saying the vibration decreased when you increased your gel? I know you wondered if it was to high in the beginning.  But then you found your gel was actually to low?  I’m currently in a quandary about my patch.  And if it is causing my buzzing or I need to go higher. 

It cured mine though I still wake more easily than I used to.

I'm late 60's and not on any HRT except for local vagifem and ovestin. Some nights i can wake up and my chest is dripping wet, nowhere else. It's not every night and can be winter or summer, just random.  It doesn't really effect my sleep apart from having to mop my chest dry then go back to sleep. Not sure why it happens, I don't wake up feeling hot and don't wear night clothes. It must be my own hormones still fluctuating and it seems to happen whether you're on HRT or not.

Interesting how random it can be Dierdre. My mum has never had any sweats or major menopause symptoms but she and many friends in their 80s struggle with atrophy symptoms and are told by their GPs, its just part of ageing and too old for things like Vagifem. Sad really, had they been provided with the right treatment that we have access to, they possibly wouldnt be suffering with incontinence and frequency among other issues down there

I'm late 60's and not on any HRT except for local vagifem and ovestin. Some nights i can wake up and my chest is dripping wet, nowhere else. It's not every night and can be winter or summer, just random.  It doesn't really effect my sleep apart from having to mop my chest dry then go back to sleep. Not sure why it happens, I don't wake up feeling hot and don't wear night clothes. It must be my own hormones still fluctuating and it seems to happen whether you're on HRT or not.

Katie, If it was me I'd ring the department and ask them what will happen at the appointment. That way you are prepared. Good its this week though.

I would too especially after my experience. Best to be prepared and in control.

Thanks for giving me some food for thought Wrensong.

I was splitting the gel dosage 2 lots in the am and 2, pm, but only in the last couple of days have decided to try 4 pumps in the morning, as I wondered if the sweats at night maybe messing with absorption. I will see how I fare and then ask for another blood test.
Interesting thought on maybe not requiring so much down to age, I always assumed we needed more estrogen if symptoms were not calming down. I also have Osteopenia to add to the mix, so I am going to have a chat with the meno specialist about it all.

My CRP levels were 8.9, which came up as out of range in the nhs app results, all in red lettering which looks alarming even if it isnt. I asked my GP and she said thats not high and not to worry, but ive heard its a good indicator of things are changing. I am relieved to be going to a different hospital and starting afresh with another Rheumatologist early June. Another doctor referred me inhouse from his department, Dermatology. I have issues with a rash and other autoimmune things so theres something happening for sure.

Hadnt thought about diet, will check this for low blood sugar
and also, will bear in mind the Estradot.

Re your sleep issue, I had mentioned it on another thread, but the renowned neuroscientist Andrew Huberman has a podcast and Youtube channel, theres an excellent episode on sleep and he recommends various things to assist with sleep problems. I learned the difference of various magnesiums for certain benefits, very interesting. I know how desperate sleep deprivation is, I also use the Calm app, it helps as well.

I agree Jules.

I have used a mindfulness app for several years. It has been a long process but it definitely helps me take a step a back from my thoughts, most of the time! But I still have my moments.

Yes it depends on how severe it is and how long its been going on. But these things are always more successful for people who are willing to try a new mindset and are prepared to carry out the techniques. I know somebody who it didnt work for but she already had 10 reasons why not.

Hi - My level at my last check was 1.6.. It has been 1.9 and 1.8.  1.8 is the maximum level they use at the clinic where I get tested (private dr).  When it was 1.9 meno dr said don't worry as I wasn't having any negative effects from it. 

Hope that helps? x

Thank you for replying- I am new to T so having a menopause panic!  I haven't any negative effects so far.  The NHS haven't bothered testing me so i have done it myself. It seems every lab range is different, not sure why that is.

PMxx

Hi - My level at my last check was 1.6.. It has been 1.9 and 1.8.  1.8 is the maximum level they use at the clinic where I get tested (private dr).  When it was 1.9 meno dr said don't worry as I wasn't having any negative effects from it. 

Hope that helps? x

Buffy

My last blood test showed 320 for estrogen on 4 pumps, therefore I wonder if I am taking too much?

Impossible for me to say, but I just wondered as you said the night sweats coincided with your upping the dose of gel.  The serum level we feel good on is very individual & not everyone needs a lot to feel their best.  And it will change to some extent from test to test, but I've recently been getting differences of around 300 pmol/L from one test to the next & at times lower results on higher doses, suggesting much more erratic absorption than I was getting in the past, when I had somewhat better nights.

Often it's not being on enough oestrogen that's behind night sweats as you'll see frequently mentioned on the forum, but as like me you are in your 60s & don't feel good on quite a high dose of gel, perhaps a little less rather than more might just be what you need at this age.  My thinking was, being on too much for your individual needs could be causing something of a stress response that's not helpful for sleep.

Like you I've had referrals to Rheumatology in recent years & the jury's still out on that, but I also have v longstanding autoimmune thyroid disease.  If your inflammatory markers are a bit raised do you have a Rheumatology review coming up to discuss that?  It might only be temporary, so please don't worry about my querying inflammation as possible cause of the sweats.

Yes, I've been through the entire sleep tool kit over the years & we're pretty much at a loss as to know where to go now.  Melatonin doesn't help me either & actually made the overheating package worse.  I looked into possible interactions & found to my dismay it can mess with oestrogen levels.

Like you, I also had cortisol tested some years ago to no avail.

Good suggestion the Amitriptyline, thank you, but frustratingly it exacerbates other conditions I have.  That said, I've been thinking of asking for another trial as it's some years since I last tried it & you never know.  I need to wait to see how the latest change of HRT pans out first.

Please don't apologise for telling it like it is - we can't help each other on here if we don't have a reasonable amount of detail & this is a safe space for offloading where no one judges us & there's a lot of understanding support.  Your post wasn't at all long; you should see some of mine - almost guaranteed to put anyone to sleep!
Wx

P.S. few more quick thoughts - I'm sure you will have considered/tried these but just in case . . .

1) splitting your dose of gel a.m & p.m?
2) Having a look at diet to be sure you're eating in a way most conducive to blood sugar stability.  If it drops too low overnight that can be one cause of night sweats.
3) Although with continued use, gels, like other transdermal methods are supposed to form a reservoir in subcutaneous fat to promote consistent levels, I've repeatedly found I do worse on gels than on patches.  If Evorel didn't suit you, Estradot might, as I think Sheila suggested.  Bloods showed I used to get more consistent levels from Estradot some years ago than I have more recently on Evorel.