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Author Topic: HRT--good or bad?  (Read 1329504 times)

Dancinggirl

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Re: HRT--good or bad?
« Reply #735 on: September 12, 2014, 09:05:56 AM »

Hi Keely
You are right and your doctor is wrong - menopausal symptoms, as a result of oestrogen deficiency, can last for the rest of our lives.  Many women find symptoms settle over a period of a few months to 3 years once their periods stop but some get symptoms for 10 years or more.
I expect the feelings in your mouth may be due to the hernia - a visits to the dentist to check there is nothing going on with oral and teeth issues.  It could be a mild virus. Some ladies do find their sense of taste etc changes.
If you are still getting flushes and night sweats and other meno symptoms then HRT should still be an option for you. Do read up all the info under the headings to the left of this screen to get clued up.  DG x
Do start your own thread so more ladies can respond to your queries and thoughts.  DG x
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Kelly

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« Reply #736 on: September 12, 2014, 10:37:42 AM »

Thanks dancing girl
Kellyx
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Welshangel

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« Reply #737 on: September 25, 2014, 12:50:57 PM »

Hi all, this is my first post on this site and this topic couldn't have come at a better time as I literally picked up a prescription for HRT this morning. The day and night sweats, palpitations, anxiety and trouble sleeping are just ruining my life. But now I have the patches I'm sat here looking at them deciding wether to take them or not!
Any thoughts from other ladies taking it would be most gratful. Regards H
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Dancinggirl

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« Reply #738 on: September 25, 2014, 01:45:53 PM »

Hi and welcome to MM Welshangel
The decision to use HRT or not is very personal. I think you have answered your own question; the meno symptoms are "ruining your life" and we always say on here it is about 'quality of life'.  You don't know how long the meno symptoms will last - it could be just for 2-3 years or it could be for the rest of your life!!! Why put your life on hold in the hope you will feel better 'sometime' in the future. Our 40s and 50s are often the busiest and most stressful times in our lives and having a agree of control over how we feel is really helpful. The thing is you can give it a go and see how you feel. If you stop you will simply be back where you are now probably anyway.
Do read up all the info under the headings to the left of this screen - all very helpful.
Don't listed to all the horror stories or those women who tell you they went the 'natural route'.  Women who don't use HRT either can't because they have a close family relation with breast cancer so HRT isn't an option OR they are one of the lucky 20-30% who get few if any meno symptoms.
If the patches don't agree with you then after 3 months I'd try something like Femoston - it's often the progesterone that can cause some side effects so it's about finding the regime that suits you.  Many women do very well with the patches - so good luck and enjoy getting some proper sleep. DG xxx
PS Do start your own thread if you have questions or worries.
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Welshangel

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« Reply #739 on: September 25, 2014, 01:59:44 PM »

Thank you DG for your reply. The patches I have are oestrogen only as I had a hysterectomy 15 years ago. I'm going to read a bit more about it before going ahead but as you said it's worth giving it a try. I'll be taking tips from this forum. Many thanks WA  :)
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Hurdity

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Re: HRT--good or bad?
« Reply #740 on: September 25, 2014, 03:04:23 PM »

Hi Welshangel  :welcomemm: from me too

As you have had a hysterectomy there really is no contest. Put the patches on! As Dancinggirl says it is the progestogen which usually causes the side effects and makes some women think twice or stop taking it!

You will definitely feel better once your body has got used to the extra oestrogen.

You haven't said how old you are but if you look at this page http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/balance.php you will see that the risks of taking HRT are not thought to exceed the benefits until you are over 70, and under 60 the benefits exceed the risks. The natural age of menopause is 50-52 so if you are less than this you should take it anyway to help protect your bones and heart.

Also even the flawed long term study into HRT showed that women on oestrogen only HRT had a slightly reduced risk of breast cancer than those not on HRT (If I remember correctly). Also  other factors are equally risk factors for all sorts of cancers - smoking, being overweight and excess alcohol for a start.

I presume you have been given 50 mcg patch? You may feel some initial side effects ( depending on how low your own oestrogen is) but once it settles you will say goodbye to your sweats and begin to live again!

Hurdity x
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Welshangel

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« Reply #741 on: September 25, 2014, 08:18:11 PM »

Thank you Hurdity that makes things a lot clearer, I am 50, have had menopause symptoms for quite a few years but the last 8 months they have become unbearable. Thanks for your advice WA
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« Reply #742 on: September 26, 2014, 06:16:34 AM »

 :welcomemm:

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donnawalters

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« Reply #743 on: October 07, 2014, 08:08:18 PM »

Hi, I'm Donna Walters, author of Estrogen Revisited, a book that was mentioned in Menopause Matters a few years ago.  I am on a mission to bring women's health standards to a higher level of importance, and your help is needed. 

IMPORTANT HEALTH FACTORS

Heart disease:  one in eight women aged 45 to 64 has heart disease.  One in every four women will die from heart disease, the leading cause of death for US women. Currently 7.2 million women have heart disease. 

Breast cancer:  one in eight women will be diagnosed with breast cancer and the strongest risk factor is getting older.  At age 30, 1 in 227 women will get breast cancer; at age 40, the statistic is 1 in 68; at age 50, it's 1 in 42; at age 60, it's 1 in 28; and by age 70, it's 1 in 26.  Interesting note: the longer the time period is without estrogen, the higher the risk for breast cancer.

Cervical cancer:  the median age is 49 and more than 20% of new cases are diagnosed in women over 65.

Endometrial cancer: most cases occur between 60 and 70.

Ovarian cancer:  risk gets higher with age; most cases develop after menopause.  Half of all ovarian cases are found in women 63 and older.  Women who took birth control have lower risk after 3 to 6 months of using the pill and the risk is lower the longer the pills are taken.

MAXIMUM HEALTH

If women are at their maximum health with estrogen (ages 12 to 45), how can they be healthy without it (46 and beyond)?  In addition to these serious health issues, there are 35 negative symptoms that women may experience due to menopause. Is estrogen a key factor in overall health? It's time to find out.

My association plans to determine what the health and quality of life are like for women who have taken estrogen long-term by conducting a worldwide observational study.  There are millions of women who have taken estrogen long-term, including birth control users, and we need to collect that important data.  Please visit our website, www.EstrogenInternationalAssociation.com, to see how you can help and make a difference.
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Dancinggirl

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« Reply #744 on: October 07, 2014, 09:25:20 PM »

Hi donnawalters
Your post is very interesting.
World Menopause Day is happening on the 18th October as I'm sure you are aware.
Here is the link to a thread on this site: http://www.menopausematters.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,25545.0.html
There is information all about the new campaign on the Prevention of diseases after menopause to be done by the International Menopause Society.
I think you should start your own thread to attract the maximum response.  You may need to check with Emma (the Menopause Matters co-ordinator) as to whether you can request support on this site.
DG
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Rowan

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« Reply #745 on: October 08, 2014, 03:02:29 PM »

http://archive.bcaction.org/index.php?page=newsletter-20b

 Estrogen Revisited: Breast Cancer and Estrogen by Carol Rinzler

Who is wrong and who is right! I have given up trying to work out it all out  ???
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donnawalters

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« Reply #746 on: October 08, 2014, 10:41:13 PM »

Your statement is absolutely correct of "trying to figure it out."  It further illustrates the great importance of having an observational study conducted on all long-term estrogen users.  Which would you be more likely to believe 1) a clinical study that could be misinterpreted like the WHI study of 2002, or 2) women who have LIVED the estrogen life?  That is the ONLY way women will ever have a realistic result as to what harm or benefit estrogen plays in their lifelong health.  I am a woman who has taken estrogen for almost 40 years, have had 7 different doctors exam me and diagnose me with the health (inside & out) for a 48 year old woman and I am a few years from 70.  In addition, my paternal grandmother had breast cancer.  The real truth regarding estrogen and breast cancer is -- if two women both get breast cancer, one has been taking estrogen and the other has not, the woman who has been taking estrogen will have a less severe case with a greater chance for survival than the one who has not taken estrogen.  But again, what's most important, is women MUST know the answer and without a study involving the millions of long-term estrogen users, that answer will not be forthcoming.
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Dancinggirl

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« Reply #747 on: October 09, 2014, 07:39:31 AM »

I think we all agree with you about more studies - particularly on the long term use and benefits versus risks.
I was told to take a break from HRT last autumn and a year on I've really noticed I've aged in terms of health problems.  I'm seriously considering going back on.  I know a lady in her 80s still on HRT and she is amazing.
DG x
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Rowan

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« Reply #748 on: October 09, 2014, 08:16:00 AM »

Will a long term study benefit women in this life time, I was under the opinion that estrogen has been the most studied drug of any dating back from at least the thirties.

Each woman reacts to hormones differently, what can be wonderful for one woman can be catastrophic for another, this forum alone shows how many women can find it difficult to comply with hormone use.

If you are lucky you can find a hormone preparation that suits, if not you either stick with the miserable side effects or come off HRT or what is worse find that HRT does not work to stop hot flushes etc. we have women on this forum who had these problems. 

Remember Donna you are in America where you have compounded HRT that that can be made to measure so to speak. I don't see how a study can help unless all the women are on the same preparation, also you have to take into account each individual woman's health status and history.

It has come to it that women worry about taking HRT/ERT and worry if they don't.

I think it would be better to study women who are healthy and well and why when they are post menopause, and who don't take HRT, and try and find out the differences.

Of cause women fall into different categories e.g. full hysterectomies etc. the more variants you consider the more difficult it seems to me for millions of women to be studied.
 

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donnawalters

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« Reply #749 on: October 09, 2014, 02:44:35 PM »

Estrogen has been studied for a very long time.  In fact, it was first placed in the US market in 1942, which was Premarin.  Basically it was taken successfully without any medical alarms or concerns until the Women's Health Initiative in 2002 and nothing has been the same since.  It has been reported that the results of that infamous study have caused the deaths of 50,000 to 100,000 women who had hysterectomies because they were too scared to continue taking it.  You are also correct that each women has a different medical health status and history which is why the WHI study reported inaccurate results, the participants had the average age of 63, were overweight and had heart disease. 

The observational study we are conducting will collect important data as to women's ages, what estrogen they are taking (including birth control & bio-identical), how long, and the result is has, if any, on heart disease, all cancers, osteoporosis, diabetes, blood clots and strokes. The bio-identical estrogen compounds that are available through compounding pharmacies in the US are not regulated by the Food and Drug Administration and do not have their endorsement. 

A new theory has recently been discussed in that the timing of when women start estrogen may well be a very important factor so the observational data that will be  collected will also serve to provide important information on this new theory.

Lastly, what I personally am interested in knowing and hope this study will provide an answer to is this simple logical question:  if women are at their maximum health with estrogen, ages 12 to 45, and estrogen is needed by many important receptors in their body, including the heart, the bones, and blood vessels, just to name a few, HOW CAN WOMEN BE HEALTHY WITHOUT IT?  All the doctors that I have been to and know about this study have all preliminarily stated that they believe that this study will indicate that women who maintain estrogen will be the healthy ones.  If by any slim chance, this study provides this indication then it could open new doors where new drugs could be created to give women the choice of whether they want to endure menopause.  Now I know that sounds far out there, any it may well be, but the last health improvement women were given a choice to was the birth control pills in 1960 which also created mass chaos at that time as everyone had differ opinions of what that choice could mean.

So, there are too many questions that haven't been answered concerning estrogen so this study, hopefully, will only serve to be a new beginning. 

I have many interests in women's health issues because, medically speaking, at least in the US, women's are secondary to men's.  As an example, more women die of heart disease than men yet if both are in an emergency room with the same diagnosis, men are treated first.  If a man has a heart attack, his chances of survival are great, if a woman has a heart attack, the chances are great that she will die within the first year.  It's a medical fact that estrogen prevents heart disease in women and that when their estrogen is gone, their risks increase enormously yet there is NO preventive measures in place for women to find out exactly how much, if any, plaque is in their arteries.  This doesn't even touch on the subject how women loose their sex drive after estrogen is depleted.  It's simple:  women aren't interested in boys until their estrogen kicks in -- what puberty giveth, menopause taketh away.  These are only a few topics that I believe women's health issues are lacking in which needs to be brought to a much higher standard.

Have a great day UK -- from me in the USA!!
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