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Suzi Q

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Re: HRT--good or bad?
« Reply #315 on: October 06, 2009, 07:19:00 AM »

Life can be crap enough with out going with out something that can make you feel better
Crescent thinks she has AtrophicVaginitits if i so HELLOOOOOO its bloody awful
Ive been oin HRT cream and the mini pill now for over 14 years and will take them for another 14 as long as I get relief
Good luck
Taz Cystole nooo dont not unless abso ness the failure rate with in 6months is about 30% thats a lot
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Crescent

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Re: HRT--good or bad?
« Reply #316 on: October 06, 2009, 08:38:50 AM »

On the subject of prolapses, I'm with SuziQ on avoiding surgery if possible.  One of my best friends who has had a trouble free menopause, No HRT, no real problems suddenly suffered a triple prolapse at 59, totally out of the blue as she had had no symptoms.  She had the operation and now has nerve damage from that op and also another prolapse returning!   I was at that time scheduled for a TVT op as I have stress incontinence to add to the fun of cystitis ;) - but cancelled it asap!
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Rosebush

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« Reply #317 on: October 06, 2009, 12:32:29 PM »

Ress does your Hrt stop all flushes/sweats.? 

I have been reading up on Testosterone, and wondering if this would help with flushes, i am trying to gather as much info as posible, to take to meno clinic apt ..when i get one. :-\
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Trey

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Re: HRT--good or bad?
« Reply #318 on: October 06, 2009, 12:38:26 PM »

 :-\Prolapse: Surgery or Not, Other methods to deal with Prolapse (s)

Good morning, US time.  I wake up thinking prolapse, I go through my day having to lie down because of prolapse, I woke up this morning daydreaming about a belt or something other than an internal pessary to support my cystocele.  I was on the posture forum (I'll call it that)in the US where they are almost violently opposed to surgery.  I could not take the anger towards the medical profession and seemingly toward those of us who have had surgery.  I think successful surgery is threatening to those who are trying desperately to avoid it *but* this is so silly because surgery is *always* a risk and success is far from guaranteed.  My hyst at 32 was totally successful for thirty years.  My mother had a hyst at 55 and has no prolapse issues.  Friends have had successful repairs, *but* many have had repeated repairs and now the horrible issues with the mesh and erosion of tissues.  I know no one who has prolapse and I have lots of friends and neighbors?

My only solution for prolapse has been HRT.  My friends on HRT since surgery have no prolapse.

I worked as an office RN for three years in a urology surgery office and did not hear much of failure of repair.

Something seems wrong to me in that I am hearing of so much prolapse in the younger set of post partum ladies.  I never heard of this when working at Stanford Medical Center (a well known US teaching hospital in California).  I should not say never - but never in young women.  So what has changed???  The only thing that has changed in the peri-menopause group and older is the study on HRT that had women (like me) stopping HRT and then getting prolapse.  But that does not explain younger ladies getting prolapse now.

I am trying the posture that the US website advises.  I am watching my diet to go as anti-inflammatory as possible.  I am exercising.  I used to be a ranked tennis player (not professional, but very good) and was in great shape.  I am now 70 years old (yee gads) and still work out and find the prolapse infuriating as it limits the time I can stand and it forces me not to lift or create intra abdominal pressure.  I packed for three moves as I may have mentioned and cared for my husband when he was severely ill (better now) and all the lifting did me in this second time.  The HRT saved me for about eight years the first time.

So I am avoiding surgery because of the high failure rate.  I am hoping they will come up with a laparoscopic surgery that will shorten ligaments to support whatever has fallen.  I am not a good surgical candidate because I am allergic to almost all antibiotics and other meds are problematic.  So, right now, I am afraid of surgery, but I have not ruled it out.  I want my life back.  But I must consider that I have other bigger issues (cervical spine) and not be ungrateful that I am basically very healthy.  So I use methods to help me deal with it - I believe in acupressure and myofascial release and trigger point therapy for many things.  I am all for natural, but remember, I did chose hysterectomy and I have had an emergency appendectomy (at 61) so I am not opposed to surgery - only surgery that has a high failure rate and prolapse surgery has a high failure rate in my mind.

I love this forum because of its acceptance of a wide variety of views and its tolerance level.  We all need the support of each other and who knows maybe the wonderful doctor (s)? who support this forum will learn from us and come up with workable solutions.   Trey
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Trey

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« Reply #319 on: October 06, 2009, 12:50:11 PM »

Answer to when we started on HRT.  My mother is 93, had her hysterectomy when she was about 55-65 (I don't really know) and I am 70, had hyst at 32, but did not begin HRT until approx. 41.  That would be approx. 30 years ago and that would then be about 1979.  The patch was not heard of then as far as I remember, only premarin, I believe.  I cannot remember exact years, but these should be close.  I do remember my FSH was a screaming 85 and I think normal was 0-30 depending on time of month.  I just Googled "when was Premarin developed" and got one site that says "Premarin was developed in Canada in the late 1930s".  This post is about PETA and cruelty to horses.  Hope that helps.  Trey
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Taz2

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Re: HRT--good or bad?
« Reply #320 on: October 06, 2009, 12:57:37 PM »

Hi Ressurection - could you share how you manged to get prescribed testosterone. I feel it would be a great help to a lot of us in getting back our sexual ooomph but as guidelines here are that it should not be presecribed to women with intact uterus and ovaries I have not been able to obtain any. Also, I am worried about the ovarian cancer risk as I have lost three friends to this nasty silent
killer.

As for how long HRT has been known about - my mum was prescribed it when I was 14 in 1968. She took it for a year and found her hot sweats and other problems had disappeared after that time. That's 41 years ago. It was a pill then of course as patches came later but I believe HRT has been around since the early 60's

Taz x  :)
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CLKD

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Re: HRT--good or bad?
« Reply #321 on: October 06, 2009, 01:42:37 PM »

Maybe a look at the web-site - oh my meno brain today  :bang: :bang: :bang: ovacome that's it ....... also I was told by my GP several years ago that my voice would drop with testosterone and never come back up  ::) however, would anyone notice and if it means I feel sexy again, at my age ............  :-*
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Taz2

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Re: HRT--good or bad?
« Reply #322 on: October 06, 2009, 03:57:23 PM »

Hi again Ress - so come on - how did you persuade your doc to prescribe it or was it a private consultation?

Taz x  :)
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Taz2

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« Reply #323 on: October 07, 2009, 03:23:16 PM »

Thanks Ress. The guidelines are actually from the manufacturers not from the NHS and I feel that if the manufacturers really felt that there was only a small cancer risk then they could be making so much money from prescribing testosterone to all the women who need it to boost their flagging libidos. I take HRT to enable me to live a much more productive life and also to be able to continue in my job. Obviously HRT has its risks but I would hesitate to take something that puts me at what seems to be quite a high risk of cancer purely to boost my sexlife - much as I miss the ooomph!

Will give it some more thought. I wish that we could have our testosterone levels checked when we are younger (all the hormones actually) so that as we grew older we could see the extent of the decline. After all what is normal for one woman is abnormal for another and it is surely the amount by which the hormones decrease in an individual which leads to the changes we experience.

Taz x  :)

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Rosebush

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« Reply #324 on: October 07, 2009, 06:38:08 PM »

Just goggled Testosterone  Gel and it seems you can buy this for £40 on internet, not sure if its the same thing as Ress is using..?
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Trey

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« Reply #325 on: October 07, 2009, 10:05:27 PM »

Just spoke with a new friend and finally asked her if she'd had any experience with prolapse (decided to explain why I cannot walk too long) and she said, "I had a hyst at 35 and my doctor said go on Premarin and never go off".  He told her it had not been studied enough and that she would need it with a total hyst.  She is 75, looks 60 and in good health.  She is on the lowest dose of Premarin. She has no prolapse of any kind.

Do you have DHEA in England?  It is written about by Dr. Ray Sahelian, who gives good conservative advice.  DHEA is a precursor for many hormones.  I *do not* take it as it makes my heart race and if I did it would be at a tiny dose.  I think in many ways it could be safer than testosterone and my gyn agrees (with lots of cautions).  I got acne from it after three days and oily skin, but I felt great - darn - wasn't worth it.
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Taz2

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Re: HRT--good or bad?
« Reply #326 on: October 08, 2009, 06:13:21 AM »

This is a heartwarming study. http://eclips.consult.com/eclips/article/Psychiatry/S0084-3970(08)70557-7    It was a small trial and over a small amount of time but it does show positive effects.

Taz x
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Taz2

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Re: HRT--good or bad?
« Reply #327 on: October 08, 2009, 05:05:14 PM »

Ress - I am on oestrogen and progesterone it is just the testosterone I am missing.

How long have you been taking HRT for and did you start it before you were getting any adverse meno reactions or did you wait until you were feeling dreadful?

Taz x
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Taz2

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« Reply #328 on: October 09, 2009, 05:00:36 PM »

Thanks for that info Ress. I can't understand what symptoms you would have been experiencing with a FSH of 6 though - this is a normal reading for a fertile woman of around 25! My FSH was 178 by the time I needed to try any hormone treatment  :)
What age were you when things were "not right" if you don't mind me asking such a delicate question  ;D

Your HRT regime sounds like mine - oestrogen only for two weeks then added progesterone for the second two weeks in order to bring on a bleed and so stop your womb lining from thickening and causing endometrial cancer. I appreciate that your doses are probably  much smaller than mine but then with an FSH of 6 you wouldn't need much oestrogen. I feel that by the time your FSH gets into the hundreds then you will probably find that a higher dose of oestrogen is needed. It is good that you caught things early and can start low and gradually increase as your own hormones diminish. Do you know why you lost your undearm hair - just curious!

Taz x
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Hotnbothered

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Re: HRT--good or bad?
« Reply #329 on: October 09, 2009, 07:04:35 PM »

must admit, I haven't thinned anywhere else, but I don't have to shave under my arms very often anymore -quite pleased because I used to find it such a chore  ;D
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