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Hally

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Perimenopause insomnia
« on: October 23, 2024, 05:44:15 PM »

I started to struggle with insomnia completely out of the blue two years ago at age 42. Initially the doctor prescribed sleeping tablets and anti-depressants (despite me feeling otherwise well). To cut a long story short, perimenopause was finally identified as the cause. Over the last 18 months I have tried various combinations of HRT. I am presently on 4 pumps of oestrogel and have a Mirena coil (I could not tolerate Utrogestan at all). However my sleep is still horrendous (2-3 hours a night if I’m lucky) as well as intermittent flushing and really sore knee joints. My blood oestrogen level has tested by the GP as 300 (which they said is normal). I am totally running out of ideas of what else I can try but also struggling so much and I think my GP is already sick of me! Any help or advice at all would be gratefully received.
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CLKD

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Re: Perimenopause insomnia
« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2024, 06:34:05 PM »

 :welcomemm:  as oestrogen levels drop muscles may become lax = aches and pains.  How are your thigh muscles because regular exercise can help with knee pains.  As can over the counter pain relief.

Blood tests can't always tell how our hormone levels are. 

U could ask for a referral to a dedicate menopause clinic . Insomnia seems to be a problem with many ladies during peri..  Some find that keeping a mood/food/symptom diary of use.  Let us know how. you get on.
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K45

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Re: Perimenopause insomnia
« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2024, 08:04:26 PM »

I found magnesium glycinate helps with insomnia and if it's really bad I take promethazine. My GP also suggested turmeric for joint pain which has helped.

My sleep has improved since I started reading before bed instead of watching tv or scrolling. Like CLKD wrote, I'd definitely recommend keeping a diary. It's shown me how much of my peri symptoms vary depending on where I'm at with my sequential hrt and cycle.
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joziel

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Re: Perimenopause insomnia
« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2024, 10:06:10 PM »

Hally, you have my deepest sympathy as this is also my main issue. I have been through every variation of insomnia over the last few years, from not being able to get to sleep for hours, to sleeping but then waking early, to crappy light sleep where you are just trying to keep yourself under....

And like you my serum estradiol was 330pmol when last measured and I was very symptomatic.

Luckily I'm with Newson Health and they recognised that some women need higher E levels especially during peri. Two different doctors there advised me to try to get between 450-650pmol and to increase above licensed dose if necessary.

I was on the gel when we first tried this. I got up to 6 pumps, which got me to that 330pmol. Then I continued to increase up to 12 pumps (yes, 12 per day). But serum levels didn't increase, they were still around 330pmol. So I was unable to absorb more gel.

So then I reduced back down to 6 pumps and introduced patches and increased those. I'm now on the 6 pumps of gel plus 2x 200mcg patches. I don't yet know what my serum levels are as I just reached this goal dose about 4 weeks ago, and I'm trying to test during my period to see what I'm getting from HRT (not what my own body is weirdly contributing when it feels like it).

My sleep has *significantly* improved. I went from the 2-3 hours a night like you, plus shaking all night with inner tremors and my heart beating hard and fast in my chest, hypnic jerks every time I began to fall asleep.... to getting about 5-6 hours a night. You can't function at all at 2-3 hours. You can function at 5-6, although it's not optimal. I go to bed around midnight and I still tend to wake in the early hours around 4-5am usually - and then I find it hard to go back to sleep, but after a couple of hours awake, I can often fall back asleep for another couple of hours. I am also getting some deep sleep again - both according to my Apple Watch and to how I feel. I was unable to get into deep sleep when things were at their worst and was just dozing.

I may need even more E, but I will test first. I am also on high dose P: No P for days 1-5, then 300mg days 5-14, then 400mg the rest of the cycle. Partly because it helps with the sleep and to offset any worries about high E doses.

I would highly recommend you go to a private menopause clinic which is happy to prescribe higher doses. You are unlikely to get prescribed above the licensed dose on the NHS.
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Hally

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Re: Perimenopause insomnia
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2024, 06:32:17 AM »

Thank you all so much! I ‘feel’ as though my symptoms are telling me that oestrogen levels of 300 are not sufficient for me but it is a battle to get a GP to see it that way. I am trying magnesium supplements at the moment but I think I may need to save up some money to see a private specialist. It’s very frustrating and unfair that women are forced to go down the private route though
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Hally

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Re: Perimenopause insomnia
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2024, 06:47:49 AM »

I found magnesium glycinate helps with insomnia and if it's really bad I take promethazine. My GP also suggested turmeric for joint pain which has helped.

My sleep has improved since I started reading before bed instead of watching tv or scrolling. Like CLKD wrote, I'd definitely recommend keeping a diary. It's shown me how much of my peri symptoms vary depending on where I'm at with my sequential hrt and cycle.


Thank you!! I do keep a symptom diary which helps me to feel like I’m trying to work out any patterns but as I’m now on the mirena coil I have no idea what stage of a cycle I’m in and so can’t find any patterns. I do lots of weight training so I think my muscles are strong but that maybe low oestrogen or progesterone is causing knee joint pain - it’s so hard to work it all out - if only you could test your own hormones everyday and work it out rather than fumbling around having no idea!! I think I’ll try the turmeric
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joziel

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Re: Perimenopause insomnia
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2024, 09:09:47 AM »

It is indeed unfair.

If it helps, my GP (NHS) is happy to prescribe the higher doses of HRT but wants to have a letter from the Newson Clinic to specify what to prescribe. This means I get the meds free on the NHS and just have to pay for the private online Newson appointment once a year to stay registered with them and for them to write the letter. The private appointment is about £230 I think. But then at least I get meds for free.

(Not testosterone, I have to get that from Newson because NHS won't prescribe. T can also help with sleep, by the way, so you might also want to look into that. You may be able to get that from your NHS doctor as it's specific to where you live. You will need to say you have low libido to get it.)
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