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[margherita]

I am saddened to see so much misinformation and judgement in these posts.

Just to clarify, what do you deem to be so much misinformation in these posts?

[Wrensong]

Thank you Minusminnie  .

Clicking on the ‘Our Clinics’ bit there is what seems to be a new statement banner at the top.

I have received the Oct newsletter & have just followed the link you mention but as far as I can see it doesn't contain the statement Joziel posted.  Am I looking in the wrong place?

[Kathleen]

Hello again ladies

Wrensong - I have just checked my emails and  the one I received is the same one that Joziel posted. It is signed by Louise Tyson, Managing Director of Newson Health.

I hope this helps you track it down!

Take care.

K.

[CrispyChick]

And that's the bhrt clinics now jumping on the bandwagon and using the panorama presentation to their advantage.

No wonder us desperate woman dont know where to turn.

Email from Marion Gluck clinic today:

As the UK’s leading bioidentical hormone clinic, we are often asked, "How safe is bioidentical hormone therapy?" This is a common concern for women who want to relieve their menopause symptoms through hormone treatment while ensuring they are making the right choice for their health.

So, we thought we would explain how we ensure our treatment is both safe and effective for all women.

With hormone therapy, there is a tendency for persistent symptoms to be treated with an ever-increasing amount of estrogen, which can lead to adverse health risks and is where concerns over the safety of treatment arise.

But this is where our clinic is different.

Our bioidentical hormone treatment is custom made for each patient. Unlike conventional HRT, we are not restricted to using just estrogen and progesterone to treat symptoms, but a full range of bioidentical hormones.

This gives us the ability to create personalised treatments for our patients that achieve effective symptom relief at lower doses. This reduces side effects and the health risks that can come from using high levels of estrogen.

[Wrensong]

Oh thank you Kathleen 

the one I received is the same one that Joziel posted. It is signed by Louise Tyson, Managing Director of Newson Health.

. . . but I haven't received that.  Not even in spam    Seems odd 

[dangermouse]

And that's the bhrt clinics now jumping on the bandwagon and using the panorama presentation to their advantage.

No wonder us desperate woman dont know where to turn.

Email from Marion Gluck clinic today:

As the UK’s leading bioidentical hormone clinic, we are often asked, "How safe is bioidentical hormone therapy?" This is a common concern for women who want to relieve their menopause symptoms through hormone treatment while ensuring they are making the right choice for their health.

So, we thought we would explain how we ensure our treatment is both safe and effective for all women.

With hormone therapy, there is a tendency for persistent symptoms to be treated with an ever-increasing amount of estrogen, which can lead to adverse health risks and is where concerns over the safety of treatment arise.

But this is where our clinic is different.

Our bioidentical hormone treatment is custom made for each patient. Unlike conventional HRT, we are not restricted to using just estrogen and progesterone to treat symptoms, but a full range of bioidentical hormones.

This gives us the ability to create personalised treatments for our patients that achieve effective symptom relief at lower doses. This reduces side effects and the health risks that can come from using high levels of estrogen.

I have always wondered why anyone would go to a private clinic that does not have the option of compounded HRT, as they both will liaise with GPs for any HRT that can be prescribed on the NHS, but there are so many more options available.

I suspect it is because the BMS choose not to support the prescribing of compounded products, as this relies fully on the doctors’ prescribing safely rather than also having the mitigation of packaged high dose progesterone that cannot cause oestrogen to build up.

Of course, in reality the BHRT docs are doing it safely and carrying out womb scans if oestrogen is used (even in smaller amounts at my clinic) so it really is about a mis-trust in doctors which makes you wonder why they bother training for all those years!

[Minusminnie]

Thank you Minusminnie  .

Clicking on the ‘Our Clinics’ bit there is what seems to be a new statement banner at the top.

I have received the Oct newsletter & have just followed the link you mention but as far as I can see it doesn't contain the statement Joziel posted.  Am I looking in the wrong place?

Didn’t have time to read lunchtime it is an orange banner across top of clinic website but maybe it has been there for sometime it is quite some while since I looked up Newson Health.

See Kathleen has posted and sorted 🙃 to 🙂 since.

I was quite surprised to get an email today with newsletter in they must be trawling a database !

[Wrensong]

Yes Minusminnie, thanks, it's the orange banner link I followed but it doesn't include that statement & I haven't received the email Kathleen mentioned either.  So I wonder if it only went to current/recent patients.

Doesn't matter - if what Joziel posted is it in its entirety, I've seen it now.  I'd just thought it odd not to have received anything official direct from NH given I seem to be still on their mailing list, then was surprised to see from this thread that there had in fact been something sent to patients via email.

[K45]

I agree - it would be helpful to know what misinformation you are referring to...


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I am saddened to see so much misinformation and judgement in these posts.

Just to clarify, what do you deem to be so much misinformation in these posts?
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[joziel]

Yes, I can't see any misinformation here. But then one person's misinformation is another person's thinking outside the box...

"I'm going to possibly disagree with you slightly Joziel - I don't think we should be encouraging each other on social media to do things like increase their dose of HRT without it being approved by / the awareness of their doctor ("

Gilla, I'm not recommending that - it would be impossible to increase HRT without a doctor's approval. Where are you going to get it from? You need a doctor to prescribe a higher dose. Fortunately many doctors are very patient-led and will do so if it's specifically requested with good reasoning.

Whether that remains the case after all this Panorama fall-out remains to be seen.

I have zero time for the BMS (in case that hasn't come across already), for so many reasons including my personal experience of BMS reg doctors preceding all this.

[HellsBells]

I have been to the Marion Gluck clinic and that statement is correct. I was allowed to start on a much lower dose and include testosterone from the start. The reason the BHRT clinics are criticised is that they say there 'is no evidence' that the drugs are safe. That is because you cant conduct a double blind placebo controlled clinical trial on the millions of individual women taking HRT. There is nothing more woo woo than that. Just as they don't conduct individual trials on any other drug. Hence adverse reactions for some on antibiotics for example.

[Seasidegirl]

I have been to the Marion Gluck clinic and that statement is correct. I was allowed to start on a much lower dose and include testosterone from the start. The reason the BHRT clinics are criticised is that they say there 'is no evidence' that the drugs are safe. That is because you cant conduct a double blind placebo controlled clinical trial on the millions of individual women taking HRT. There is nothing more woo woo than that. Just as they don't conduct individual trials on any other drug. Hence adverse reactions for some on antibiotics for example.

This is the same logic that is chucked at so many HRT arguments isn't it?   "There is no evidence to support...." no,  because nobody bothers to find research as there don't seem to be shiny patented drugs to find big pharmas research.   

We're supposed to just suck it up and retreat from the Boardroom to the kitchen at midlife and go quietly.

I can't help but think (and bloody hope), that this might have been a massive own goal for "the establishment" who want to control the (out of date) narrative. 

Tens of thousands of pissed off hormonally challenged womans have I hope had enough of this farce, if not for us,  then for those that follow us...

[Mary G]

I have been to the Marion Gluck clinic and that statement is correct. I was allowed to start on a much lower dose and include testosterone from the start. The reason the BHRT clinics are criticised is that they say there 'is no evidence' that the drugs are safe. That is because you cant conduct a double blind placebo controlled clinical trial on the millions of individual women taking HRT. There is nothing more woo woo than that. Just as they don't conduct individual trials on any other drug. Hence adverse reactions for some on antibiotics for example.

It's complete BS isn't it.

Take a look at the Alternative Therapies section on here and read through my thread on compounded hormones and you will see what a hard time I had.

Compounded hormones work and they are safe under supervision but the BMS, NHS and opponents etc were not having any of it.  We are talking about desperate women here who are in the last chance saloon before facing a hysterectomy but no, not even that would move them.

The sheer dogma is incredible, it's like coming up against an immoveable object.  I had similar problems with the low dose Professor Studd regime which was considered to be definitely deadly despite very extensive supervision which was better than NHS supervision.

Louise Newson has my deepest sympathy.

Edit: i made it quite clear that compounded progesterone is a last resort for women who have tried all the branded progesterone products available and are one step away from a hysterectomy.

[Dierdre]

Does anyone know why I'm getting personal emails regarding this post and links to follow it or unsubscribe to it??
I've never had notifications of posts or threads before. I've not posted on this thread and unticked the box on my profile to not have emails, the box was actually ticked but I'd never done this.
The email stated I was sent the email as I was watching the post. Anyone else had this? Is this unusual?

[Dierdre]

Sorry all, think I've sorted it. Nothing sinister, bit wary of emails with links.