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Author Topic: Updated Draft NICE Guidelines on Menopause - CBT for hot flushes!  (Read 6100 times)

dangermouse

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Re: Updated Draft NICE Guidelines on Menopause - CBT for hot flushes!
« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2024, 05:48:55 PM »

It can be used lightly, eg replacing “I can’t take it anymore!” with “It will be ok”, to going into all of your exaggerated unhelpful beliefs (often there is a main underpinning one) that have been holding you back, by proving to you that they are simply not true. Until you believe it, it’s just words, so it’s all about scientifically showing you the truth and then you can’t ever go back and believe the exaggerated lies you had been telling yourself.

Enjoy!
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dangermouse

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Re: Updated Draft NICE Guidelines on Menopause - CBT for hot flushes!
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2024, 05:49:41 PM »

I understood that the idea was to offer CBT in the first instance for what is basically a hormonal upheaval.

Goodness, they would not have the resources for that!
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CLKD

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Re: Updated Draft NICE Guidelines on Menopause - CBT for hot flushes!
« Reply #32 on: January 07, 2024, 05:50:04 PM »

?? 'they ??  ..........
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dangermouse

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Re: Updated Draft NICE Guidelines on Menopause - CBT for hot flushes!
« Reply #33 on: January 07, 2024, 05:51:15 PM »

NHS.
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CLKD

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Re: Updated Draft NICE Guidelines on Menopause - CBT for hot flushes!
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2024, 05:53:35 PM »

" CBT was found to reduce the frequency and severity of hot flushes and night sweats and should be considered alongside or as an alternative to HRT, the draft guidance says.

It was also found to help sleep problems related to menopause, including, how long it takes to fall asleep and how long before waking".

There is no reference = 'found to reduce ...... "  :-\

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suzysunday

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Re: Updated Draft NICE Guidelines on Menopause - CBT for hot flushes!
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2024, 06:39:06 PM »

I can't see CBT reducing hot flushed at all.  I went on what was basically CBT that a Canadian therapist who was training asked for a couple of clients on this forum a couple of months ago.  I lasted 3 sessions but it didn't work out.  I have tried it many years ago but I can't seem to put my heart into it.
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sheila99

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Re: Updated Draft NICE Guidelines on Menopause - CBT for hot flushes!
« Reply #36 on: January 08, 2024, 06:39:53 AM »

I can visualise the scenario. You can have hrt but we'll try cbt first. The wait for cbt is 18 months...
Maybe I'm just too cynical.
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discogirl

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Re: Updated Draft NICE Guidelines on Menopause - CBT for hot flushes!
« Reply #37 on: January 08, 2024, 07:06:57 AM »

No your not cynical sheila99 you're spot on.

I couldn't see the male population standing for all this malarky x
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Katymac

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Re: Updated Draft NICE Guidelines on Menopause - CBT for hot flushes!
« Reply #38 on: January 09, 2024, 06:54:34 AM »

I've had cbtbfor 'living with a long term illness' 3 or 4 times

The first time was honestly useful - it have me techniques to deal with hopeless spirals

The second time the counsellor took some of the techniques I'd developed and asked to use them on other clients

The 3rd was for a different issue and the counsellor felt that my concerns and reactions were perfectly rational and reasonable so we just chatted instead and I respond very well to talking therapy - it gives me opportunities to hear how I sound and rationalise outside of my head

The most recent was a zoom group session and I knew more than the facilitators & I am still supporting people on WhatsApp even now a year on

It cannot change physical symptoms it can change your response to them, but hot flushes? They are so visceral I'm not sure you can rationalise them away
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