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[SarahT]

 

Because we are all this together. Xxx

[Penguin]

Have you tried the gel Nas? While not perfect, it is easy to adjust the dose by very small amounts.
If you could treat the dryness topically, then perhaps an ad would help for the anxiety. Although they do take awhile to work.
I think it's amitryptaline I've heard mentioned here re overactive bladder. But I'm not sure if that works if it is caused by dryness.
I think you mentioned joints at some point (can't see as I'm in mid reply) but I have started to use magnesium body butter and I do find that helps my fingers a bit when my estrogen is too low.
So bloody hard getting it right.

[Nas]

Thanks penguin.
I have tried the gel, thanks. Unfortunately it makes me feel very wired but I do see why it can be preferable to patches or tablets as you can titrate the dose.

I take amitriptyline for sleep. I’ve bought the health and her supplements and plan to buy some ashwangandha capsules next week. They are meant to help with calming the the nervous system and cortisol.
Also have magnesium spray so will start to use that again. 

It sure is a tough one to deal with.

[Nas]

Thanks poppy for the tibolone info. In truth I just just know what my body needs. I feel like death today. Zero sleep, nauseous and banging headache, spinning room. It’s like being in hell!!!!

What the hell am I going to do?
This way of life is completely unsustainable.

I’ve had BC poppy and am only just getting transdermal HRT from a specialist. I doubt she would allow me to have this drug  plus I’ve got a mirena in at present. Thanks though. Im very scared of taking pharma drugs, as they don’t seem to agree with me at all.

Urggh 
What to do???

[Kathleen]

Hello again Nas

A few years ago I decided that HRT wasn't working for me so I gradually came off it. I reasoned that even if things got bumpy at least it would just be my own hormones causing the trouble and not the ones I had added in.  I stopped taking Utrogestan and slowly titrated the pumps of gel down to zero.

A few weeks later vaginal dryness symptoms began and I started to used OTC products. Then the night sweats and flushes came back but they were never my worst problem. The one that got me was the crying episodes that came out of nowhere. I could be talking to someone in the street and suddenly feel the need to burst into tears. I even became reluctant to go out incase I saw someone I knew and be too embarrassed to talk to them. I eventually saw my GP who said all my issues were due to coming off HRT so I tried again with the gel.  My point is that even now with a medium dose HRT I am still dealing with some symptoms and  wondering what to do next.

I think my experiment was worth it though as it confirmed that a very low to zero dose of gel does have some benefit. Having said that I am tempted once again to see how I manage without HRT.

I understand how you feel and my life is also dominated by these blooming hormones!
I think trying other preparations are a good idea and my SIL says I should give alcohol a try lol.

Hopefully one day we will find the peace that we are looking for.

I am sorry that I haven't been much help but sending hugs and best wishes.

Take care.

K.

[Nas]

Thankyou Kathleen,
I’m just SO sick of thinking about it. It’s consuming my every waking minute right now and I’m very fed up.

I’m half tempted to stick my patch back on. Maybe that was as good as it got? Maybe hrt just allows us to cope with this shift in hormones and it doesn’t actually obliterate the symptoms completely.

Today, I’ve got palpitations from hell, irritability and nausea. Do I push on through without HRT now and hope that I level out. Or do I stick my patch on quick?

Yes there are other preparations, but I’ve no idea how much to take now. I’ve sandrena, lenzetto and femeston conti ( which is no good as it contains progesterone).

Part of me wants to push on through without hrt. But I remember the anxiety before I started hrt and how it affected me. Mind you, that took forever to dissipate!

Alcohol or cannabis seem tempting options right now 😊

[SarahT]

I can't offer any practical advice to you Kathleen or Nas.

But I want to send hugs to you both. None of us I am sure expect hrt to be a total cure, especially with our own hormones and bodies changing as we get older... Sad fact I know. But I really feel for you both, who it seems while hrt has supported you in the past, it now seems to react against you.

It may help knowing you are both in similar stages so can empathise.

Am just sorry you are both going through this because no one deserves feeling like this xx

[Nas]

Thanks Sarah.
When I was peri, I had no idea it was peri menopause. Then when the last period came and went, I thought, that must be it.

Then came the cascading symptoms and the battle to even get HRT. Now, who knows. Maybe the patch did work after all. I don’t recall feeling as grim
as this on the patch.

Got to think quick. Tomorrow back to work and I can’t feel this awful.   X

[Penguin]

I don't really know much about patches, but could you cut a small bit and try that, so you don't get a bit hit at once?

[Kathleen]

Hello again ladies.

SarahT - thank you for your comments.

Like Nas I didn't struggle very much in peri, my problems really started in post menopause. I was told that HRT wasn't a great help with the emotional stuff but I know someone who had anxiety for six months and then it stopped. I did have a similar experience with headaches but this horrible internal shaking feeling comes back to haunt me daily.

Nas -  Actually when I said other preparations I was thinking along the lines of Cannabis. I have some gummies here that are rapidly becoming out of date but I haven't got the courage to try them. I'm afraid that they won't help and then where will I be?

I truly hope you recover enough to go to work tomorrow Nas. I will be thinking of you.

Sorry to moan ladies but for some reason I have been awake since 3am and my anxiety is through the roof.

Wishing you both well and take care.

K.

[Betsy123]

I have just been reading through this post Nas and really feel for you as I am in the same predicament. The anxiety certain days is crippling and so frustrating. I am 54 this year and the past 2 have been the worst. I am currently on Everol 75 also but the anxiety is still there.  I also get panic episodes and feel like I cant catch my breath at times.  Being progesterone sensitive I stopped the utragestran to see if this was causing it and to start with was ok however anxiety came back with avengence. Seeing menapause clinic at the end of May and hoping they will be able to help.
I hope you resolve it as anxiety is the worst. The dizziness is also hard so take care.

[Nas]

Kathleen, I’ve also been awake early. Well I haven’t actually slept. Give the gummies a go, they may do the trick? If I remember correctly, are they the Charlottes web gummies? They are meant to be very good.

Re: cannabis. I won’t go into details, but it’s on my radar. I did have a bit of an adverse reaction to it, but I’m very sensitive to these things.

Well, I’ve just had a blazing row with partner. Really laid into him re:our life/ future/ the area we live in. Totally exhausted now.

Go on, give the gummies a try Kathleen. They may relax you? Where did you purchase them from? Xxxx

Penguin, I’ve just stuck the 75 patch on again. What I may do, if I need to, is slowly add a bit of patch at a time. Maybe I don’t need the 100?

[Kathleen]

Hello again ladies.

Nas - The gummies are Charlotte's Web and I have had two today. Perhaps I will sleep better later, who knows?  I bought them online and I will update you if they help.

I think the company were called The Ageless and they are licensed to produce Charlotte's Web in the UK by the American company.

I have also had a stressful day as my son is having problems at the moment. He lives in London and we have been on the phone all day. I am also getting into a state because we will have a house full of visitors next month for a family wedding and I honestly don't know how I am going to cope with it all!

Apologies for moaning again ladies and thank you for putting up with me.

Wishing you all well.

K.

[SarahT]

Nas, Kathleen,

Moan away. I mean have you seen most of my  posts? Not exactly full of joy.

We all need a place to let off steam, and This forum seems to me to be so non judgemental and supportive.

You both send support  and advice to so many,  and if you think your posts may be too moany, the opposite is true for the many who identify with at least  some what you are going through and at least know they are not alone.

I wish you both well. Xx

[Mollymoo]

Urgghh... I am sick of it all now.
I thought my body needed more oestrogen, so I upped my patch from 75 to 100.
I increased because I was still symptomatic.
Since upping the patch, I have felt ill. Nauseous, crampy. headaches, dizzy.

Went back down to 75, still feeling the same.

Yesterday and today, I feel very spaced out.
Can't focus, nauseous, irritable.

What it is going on?
I am 5 years post menopause.

I want to be free of hormones for sure, but my bladder goes into overdrive, despite using ovestin and vagifem everyday.
What can I do?
How can I get out of this perpetual cycle of HRT?
I just want to level out.
I have the mirena and would get shot of that too, but I can't risk it, in case I need oestrogen (utrogetan does not work for me).

I started HRT because of low mood, frequent weeing, poor sleep and aching joints. The only thing it has helped with in 4 years, is the frequent weeing!

I have tried patches, gel, tablets and spray.

Hi Nas
I stopped taking my Hrt about 8 weeks ago but have stuck with my anti d because I wanted to see what was causing my issues/symptoms.
Whilst taking HRT I was bleeding, had terrible mood swings, crying episodes and nearly every month just felt like I was having a period. It was awful.
Since stopping HRT I feel so much better mood wise. Even my husband said I am back to the person I used to be.
I am getting other symptoms like dry mouth at night, not sleeping great, feeling tired during day, struggling with the heat.
I am going to continue without for another few months and see how I feel then. I am surprised at how good I feel although I am struggling with the heat and I didn't used to.
I hope you start to feel better soon xx