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[HelloSam666]

Thank you Dangermouse.

And interestingly, i see on this forum, people on really high doses of oestrogen and others encouraged to use higher doses than they're using in order to alleviate symptoms. Is this right? And of course, the more oestrogen being prescribed, the higher the dose of progesterone.

My OTC creams are obviously a lower level than many of the HRT preparations and probably why they work well for me i.e. my hormones needed tweaking to alleviate the symptoms i had.

Call me cynical but I have been pondering for a long time about the connection between pharma companies / NHS contracts / BMS with regards to menopausal products. It's the same with many other natural products / supplements that get really great feedback from the public but are written off by the governing bodies / pharma companies as useless / not potent enough to make a difference.

[Scampidoodle]

I totally agree re big pharma it’s big business and political and run by very powerful people. I have had similar thoughts.

How much do you use of the biovea Sam? And so you use daily? X

[Scampidoodle]

And I agree re the messaging on this forum for higher oestrogen needed. This is what got me into this pickle, seeing a private meno specialist who advised me to up from 2 to 3 pumps of gel when I was already feeling utterly dreadful. Totally tipped me over going to three. Oestrogen is treated like a benign supplement which can only bring good things but it’s clearly not going to all the time.

[HelloSam666]

Hi Scampidoodle, i use 1 full pump in the evening - i think that equates to 20mcg. I take 1 pump of oestrogen cream i buy too in the evening at the same time.

I use them every night - don't have a break and all has been great on that regime x

[Scampidoodle]

Fabulous, thankyou. I’m so glad this works well for you and well done you for trying other avenues for your well-being. What symptoms did you have pre using these things that the cream then helped with? X

[HelloSam666]

My initial problems - which prompted me to see a private menopause doctor first, were migraines which were becoming nearly daily and really bad insomnia - i felt like a zombie. And as i mentioned, the HRT i was prescribed (25mcg estrogen patches and 100mg utrogestan) made me feel very ill.

Later on, after taking the progesterone successfully for a few months, i started having hot sweats some nights. They weren't too bad, primarily on my neck/chest but i figured out from my own research that a bit of oestrogen was needed and that's when i bought Estriol cream by Biovea. I since changed to the Life-flo brand (this has a little bit of Estradiol in it as well as Estriol). It means i use just one pump of this at night instead of a dose in the morning and one at night as with the Biovea.

BTW when initially starting with the progesterone cream, it suggests using a dose in the morning and evening. This is what i did and then moved to just one in the evening. 

[Marchlove]

Hi All

It was me who posted about the medical book.

Can someone confirm, am I allowed or not to post the title of the book?

If not, does anyone know why not?

Welcome back HelloSam 

M x

[CrispyChick]

I thought it might've been you March. Was it Jim's book? 

I cannot see why there would possibly be a problem recommending a book?! After all, we all recommend herbs and hormones. 

[dangermouse]

I think we don't want to give an excuse to close down this thread but thank you for the book recommendation!

I remember the title was changed to some random, generic menopause book. 

There are strange things like this on Facebook. If anyone uses the full word 'progesterone' the thread gets closed so they have to write 'pr@gesterone' etc. These drug companies have more power than we realise.

[Scampidoodle]

That’s crazy re the forums closing down for using the P word!! Intrigued about the book..

Thanks for the info Sam re dosages etc x

[Marchlove]

Yep Crispy! It’s Jim@P’s book   

xx

[Marchlove]

aoletti 

I feel a bit like Sherlock!

x

[dangermouse]

I feel like I need to hide my copy under the bed now. 

[Marchlove]

You’re a scream Dangermouse!

[Gilla999]

"In terms of NICE Guidelines and HRT in fact peri-menopause is defined as starting when the cycle varies by at least 7 days each month - even though hormones will start to go awry before that, and so it is at THAT point that HRT is recommended. Yes some women who have lower oestrogen are recommended HRT before this point - but it won't necessarily work as it is not indicated."

Can't work out how to properly do a quote, but just want to add - because I think it's very important - that both my private menopause specialist and my NHS Menopause specialist confirmed to me when I asked them this question that many women who are still having regular periods can and do require HRT and that it is often very successful. This is because (in their words) Estrogen can begin to fall (or go haywire) quite some time before your periods become erratic. It seems some women are more sensitive to that change in Estrogen than others, which I can only assume is why some people experience symptoms earlier on and some don't until the point that their Estrogen is so low / have less eggs that their periods become erratic.

I think it's important that we don't state things as gospel truth when there is much debate on all kinds of meno topics, even among menopause specialists. I personally suffered a year of absolute hell as a result of GPs robotically stating the above the quote to me and refusing to prescribe me HRT because my periods were still regular. When I finally paid to see a menopause specialist who informed me they were wrong and did prescribe me HRT, my problems disappeared within a couple of weeks of starting it. I am nearly not here today because of that failure and mis-information, so it feels important for me to share it.

Good luck to the ladies on this thread in finding something that works for you