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Author Topic: HRT and Histamine issues / Urticaria / DHEA and Cortisol  (Read 54793 times)

Vicky81

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Re: HRT allergic reaction? Histamine issues etc
« Reply #240 on: July 19, 2022, 06:57:45 PM »

Oh ok marchlove....
My ears pricked up after scampi sent me the link to the dr she sees..Dr Tina peers . Its got the symptoms on her page ....and it resonated.....
She specialises in hormones and histamine intolerance....
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Vicky81

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Re: HRT allergic reaction? Histamine issues etc
« Reply #241 on: July 19, 2022, 06:59:19 PM »

Hi scampi yes that's what I mean....same as you describe.  I too don't have allergy symptoms....no hives,, runny nose etc...it was only when I read your drs page it just rang a bell
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Marchlove

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« Reply #242 on: July 19, 2022, 07:15:35 PM »

Hi Vicky

You and I have spoken of this in messages between us and I understand your frustration and searching  for answers.
 Have you thought any further about seeing a nutritionist/naturopath so that you can explore these issues and your symptoms further?
I do feel this will be of great benefit to you and help you focus objectively on a way forward. X

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Vicky81

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Re: HRT allergic reaction? Histamine issues etc
« Reply #243 on: July 19, 2022, 07:37:07 PM »

Hi marchlove
Yes I did Google some in my area but haven't got round to booking anything yet.
It was only when I seen scampi link thst made me wonder really ....
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Marchlove

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« Reply #244 on: July 19, 2022, 07:57:11 PM »

It’s good to wonder Vicky, so follow this thread.
None of us here have answers, we’re all just exploring and exchanging experiences, with the hope of helping ourselves and others.
Sleep well xx
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joziel

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« Reply #245 on: July 19, 2022, 08:21:26 PM »

Vicky if you want to explore histamine thoroughly, you could try a low histamine diet. If you search for that you'll find my thread from recently when I did it for a week. It made no difference to me and I don't believe now that my symptoms were due to histamine but think they were instead due to too high estrogen (for me). But it would be best to do that and is what Dr Tina Peers recommends - rather than just taking the supplements and the anti histamines. That bit is easy but may well not work by itself.

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Vicky81

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Re: HRT allergic reaction? Histamine issues etc
« Reply #246 on: July 20, 2022, 07:16:52 AM »

Thanks both....something to think about x
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Gilla999

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Re: HRT and Histamine issues / Urticaria / DHEA and Cortisol
« Reply #247 on: August 18, 2022, 03:44:24 PM »

Hi all

Wanted to give a quick update to this thread regarding the Urticaria and also ask a question on my DHEA/Cortisol test results which I just had back.

My consultant was quite clear with me that my CSU (Chronic Spontaneous Urticaria) is Autoimmune in nature when it goes on for longer than 6 weeks and is every day like mine, as opposed to an allergic reaction. I had a blood test which confirmed this. However I am quite sure that hormonal fluctuations (especially any increase in Estrogen) does have an impact on flare ups. My first Xolair injection worked really well and I thought i was cured, but it came back after two weeks and then the second injection last week did nothing. I start Cyclosporine in a week's time, which is a nasty immunosuppressant medication, but quite honestly i would take Arsenic right now if they told me it would work. In daily agony and not able to work etc. Fingers crossed it helps!

I finally had my DHEA/Cortisol results back and things look a little strange. Does anyone here (Marchlove?) know much about DHEA and Cortisol?
- My cortisol levels are all under the range (this was two weeks after I stopped low dose steroids which I'd taken for 10 days)
- My DHEA is ok in the AM but too high in the PM
- The Cortisol/DHEA ratio should be between 46-77 and mine is only 17.

Does anyone have any idea what that means?!
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joziel

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« Reply #248 on: August 18, 2022, 04:02:57 PM »

I don't Gilla, but I am following your experiences with interest in an attempt to understand ideas for myself and I hope you get some useful input!  :)
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Marchlove

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« Reply #249 on: August 18, 2022, 05:04:13 PM »

Hi Gilla

I’ve been wondering where you were and how you’ve been getting on.

Can you post the actual measurements for each point in the day, with the ranges used, as each lab uses different ranges.
Who did you use to do the test?
If it was a blood test I’ve not ever done it that way so won’t be able to help so much.

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Gilla999

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Re: HRT and Histamine issues / Urticaria / DHEA and Cortisol
« Reply #250 on: August 18, 2022, 06:52:40 PM »

No it was a saliva test  :) It was done through Healthpath.

Annoyingly you can't post images on the forum but this is what the results say:

Cortisol - it doesn't give the timings I did them but they're from first thing in the morning to night:
Sample 1, range 3-16: 3
Sample 2, range 9-26: 8.7
Sample 3, range 5-19: 6.5
Sample 4, range 3-9: 2.5
Sample 5, range 0.5-4: 0.4

DHEA
Sample 1 (AM), range 0.23-1.38: 1.01
Sample 2 (PM), range 0.13-0.69: 1.09

Cortisol/DHEA ratio, range 46-77: 17.5


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Marchlove

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« Reply #251 on: August 18, 2022, 07:08:13 PM »

Hi Gilla

I’m going to have to think about this, but yes your cortisol is low, especially in the morning.

Can you remember the approx times of the different tests ?

How did you feel physically and mentally on that day?

You are being very brave looking into all of this. I’ve been there and the only thing I can say is eventually it starts to pay off!

 It’s a real incentive to others to follow your story.
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Marchlove

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« Reply #252 on: August 18, 2022, 09:31:06 PM »

I think this is interesting Gilla, the connection between low cortisol and CU.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26905640/

Try not to worry, mine has been far lower than yours, as recently as two months ago!

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CrispyChick

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Re: HRT and Histamine issues / Urticaria / DHEA and Cortisol
« Reply #253 on: August 19, 2022, 02:34:31 PM »

Marchlove - gilla has used Healthpath, which was the same company I used when you looked at mine. If that helps. X
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Marchlove

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« Reply #254 on: August 19, 2022, 03:15:45 PM »

Hi Gilla

I want to start by saying that a lot of ladies in peri and beyond have some degree of adrenal (HPA) dysfunction.
Many are unaware of it and put everything down to sex hormone imbalance.
Anxiety is a key issue with HPA dysfunction, but unfortunately can be a symptom of both high and low cortisol, so the only way to know is to test.
What we don’t know is what your cortisol/Dhea was like earlier in the year and post covid infection, so it is difficult to pinpoint an actual cause.
In fact one potential cause now is you recently stopped low dose steroids, and the negative feed back loop might not yet had time to readjust.
Or it could just be an ongoing stress response to your chronic Urticaria.

So, morning cortisol should be at the very top of the range.
Noon should be upper quarter, lower part.
Late afternoon should be midrange.
Bedtime should always be at the bottom of the range.

Dhea and cortisol should work in balance with each other. As cortisol goes up, Dhea goes down.
When cortisol falls, Dhea makes a last ditch attempt to rise…then falls.
This is what I think is happening to you with your pm rise in Dhea.

Low cortisol can result in reduced cellular absorption of certain hormones, reduced thyroid receptor response, and low pregnenolone, progesterone and aldosterone. Testosterone along with Dhea levels fall with declining cortisol levels, but which comes first is highly individual.
Clinical manifestations can include estrogen dominance symptoms (relative to progesterone) and blood volume/pressure issues.

So what to do about it???
Of course, the obvious stress reduction, rest, relaxation techniques are paramount, along with regular meals, do not skip breakfast (which should be high in protein- eggs a good choice) and adequate sea salt twice a day.

But bigger guns than this are often needed.
It really depends Gilla on how you would like to proceed?
The best solution is to work with either an endocrinologist or a good functional practitioner (the disadvantage here though could be that they are unable to prescribe).
That said an endocrinologist will often jump straight in with the big guns and prescribe hydrocortisone, which is often not necessary if you have adequate pregnenolone and progesterone throughout the month.

I have had low cortisol issues for a number of years and have been able to get on top of it without using HC.

There are a few supplements that are very good for low cortisol. Namely, vitamin c(don’t start too high and the B vitamin Pantethine. Also I have used Thorne adrenal Cortex (don’t use glandulars) with good success.

It’s also important that you avoid, for now, supplements that can lower cortisol, such as Phosphatidylserine, zinc and holy basil. All good supplements and I actually take zinc now with my evening meal, but not good for you right now.

Lastly, there are two good books I would like to recommend-
‘Stop the Thyroid Madness’ which has 2 excellent chapters on adrenal dysfunction
and
‘A Practitioners Guide to Physiologic Bioidentical Hormone Balance’

My cortisol and Dhea nose dived after getting covid in May, this doesn’t happen to everyone, it depends how good your reserves are and in some people they actually increase. The only way I could tell was by testing yet again. After Christmas when I tested they were pretty good. So you can see how quickly things can change.

It’s awful to have to deal with so much all at once Gilla, but take heart, as knowledge is power and will help you win through.

Please let me know if there is anything you wish me to clarify.

M x
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