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Author Topic: Faulty oestrogel batch?  (Read 4111 times)

Uptick

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Re: Faulty oestrogel batch?
« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2021, 03:05:44 PM »

Hi Gnatty, that's good  :)

I have checked on the MHRA website and now there are 3 different patient information leaflets for Oestrogel, all of them updated on May, 2021. Two PILs are labeled Delpharm (the manufacturer in Drogenbos, Belgium), one has the subtitle Lablabo, meaning the bottle manufacturer is Lablabo (the straight bottle) and one is labeled Rexam (the bottle with a 'neck'). The third PIL wasn't there before and it's labeled LBI which stands for Laboratoire Besins International (Besins own lab in Paris) and it's also labeled Rexam (the old Oestrodose bottle with a 'neck'). That means all 3 presentations are being currently marketed in the UK. Rexam doesn't exist since it has been acquired by Nemera in 2014, so I suppose these are 'old' bottles or someone has forgotten to change the label. This could possibly explain for different experiences with the gel, because although there are very strict regulations regarding production and quality checking, minor differences could still exist and hormones are very powerful molecules and different absorption rates could account for a return of symptoms.

By the way, the Oestrodose leaflet has recently been updated on French gov websites (September, 2021) and it still says 'anhydrous estradiol' instead of 'hemihydrate estradiol'. Maybe it's just a legal or semantic confusion, but nevertheless worth mentioning.
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VictoryV

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Re: Faulty oestrogel batch?
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2021, 06:16:48 PM »

We’ve had huge manufacturing obstacles acquiring bottles, lids and pumps since the beginning of Covid. The prices of certain chemicals rose tenfold if they were obtainable at all - ethanol and Carbomer in particular. Then there were major logistical hurdles as a majority of freight lines were closed globally. Older bottles being used fits the date range mentioned.
I don’t know anything about hormone chem though.
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Uptick

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Re: Faulty oestrogel batch?
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2021, 07:48:06 PM »

Hi VictoryV, thanks for your excellent input on this, do you work for the pharmaceutical industry?
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VictoryV

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Re: Faulty oestrogel batch?
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2021, 08:09:14 PM »

Hi Uptick, no, cosmetics and personal manufacturing. I’m wondering if the ingredient change was due to availability/logistics/cost, that would be my guess if the MSDS’ are dated after late Feb 2020?
I’ve only seen the current Oestrogel so I’ve nothing to compare.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2021, 03:46:28 PM by VictoryV »
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Uptick

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Re: Faulty oestrogel batch?
« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2021, 01:29:31 PM »

Hi VictoryV, that sounds exciting 😁 I had to look up MSDS 😂 I don't think there was an ingredient change' really. Both estradiol presentations are interchangeable in pharmacological terms. I think most HRT preparations have the estradiol hemihydrate now, the only weird exception is Evorel Mono patches. Weird because Evorel Conti and Evorel Sequi have the hemihydrate as well.
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