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[Hurdity]

Hi there - thanks for the link Whatsupwiththis. Have had a look and then delved a bit deeper...the title is not quite what the researchh is saying. As Maryjane says - the research refers to vaginal vs non vaginal births not childless women vs mothers. Here is the research but I can't find the full paper just the abstract here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28440666

However unless there is other research, that was an observational study of approx 125 women matched I think for mean (?) age, age at menarche, and age at menopause. I would want to have a look at the full study and data. However the pH of the vagina was one of the measures as well as perception of symptoms and maturation index amongst other measures.

As always the data show trends and statistical signficance and even if the association is shown it would not follow that ALL such women would get VA. it would only be a percentage. Also the data did not include a similar sized/matched group of women who had never had children ie not been pregnant which would have given a fuller picture I would suggest?

Hurdity x

[Tinkerbell]

I have had 4 vaginal births and the dreadful VA started when i was around 47 and still having periods.

[Whatsupwiththis]

Wow thx. Hurdity for your excellent research.  I should have clarified non vaginal births not childless.   I should have realized you can still have children in other ways.  I was dumbstruck when I was told I was in a high risk group because I hadn't had vaginal births!  WTF!  What does that have to do with our internal organs.  When I started on this long and horrendous journey the only thing I could hear was my mother saying how selfish I was not to bear kids so my child like brain says "yup you got what you deserve".  As CLKD said 'taboo'.
Tinkerbell....oh my...4 kids?  You should have danced all night!

[Tc]

"Other ways to have children" in my case it's called nieces and nephews😁

I was asked if I'd given birth specifically vaginally when I went for mirena coul fitting. But that's more to do with the cervix.

My grandmother used to say to me when i complained of period pains "you need to have a baby, that will sort it out".   Bit drastic nan!!

Xx

[Whatsupwiththis]

Ditto Tc👍