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[juliemargaret]

Hi again DM ....and thank you. I sort of get you...confused what you mean though about prog converting etc (sorry).
Im peri too so yes probs got all my own hormones firing away, its hard not knowing for sure though if i need morw estro or if need more prog etc.
I did try the alternate even utro vaginally when very forst started hrt over 4 months ago...along with 2 pumps gel. Gave 3 months and still felt poo and sooo out of sorts tired  low unmotivated etc....so decided on the advice of this lovely group to try up gel and see if helped and also try a sequi. So i stopped the utro, upped gel, and have been on 3 pumps gel alone bow for 4 weeks - will be addjng utrogestan next week on 25th (if i stay on hrt). Havent applied gel yet today ..arrrgh, as wondering whether to stop and just see how i go!! (but scared im going to deprive myself of estrogen which i may possibly need and greatly bwnwfit from although doesnt feel like it!)
Oh!  I'm like a broken record as feel shared this same tale with everyones posts and feeds this morning. Can only apologise to all reading and who know - you must all be bored of me as i am of myself !
My struggle is real haha.x

[Wobbles]

Hi Dangermouse - thanks for that info re: how the prog only pill works. I didn't know that. I gathered from other posters that the prog only mini pill supressed ovulation/oestrogen and I feared it may make things worse.

As you say as my hormones fluctuate they disrupted the HRT.

I don't like this time of life, sniff. Wish I could hibernate it all away

Just wish someone would be able to give advice on the mini-pill and likelihood of crap mood and anxiety.
W x

[juliemargaret]

Hi wobbles...bless you. And just realised your name there! Ah. Wobbly it bloody is isnt it...this journey. Sorry ive been of no use to you. Like yourself im.alsonwanting and wishing for someone to tell me...but i know noone can do that - they can only advise and support as they have! But were all here for you.x

[Wobbles]

Jmargaret - sorry - I didn't mean that your input was of no use - my apologies if it came across that way - I appreciate everyone's experiences as it helps me recognise I'm not the crackpot I fear I have become.

I just think it's so pants having all these crappy symptoms but still having to work and function normally in life. It's like we can't rely on our bodies anymore to help us feel normal. And HRT / the pill just gives extra ones for the mix doled out by clueless GPs.

Whinge over 
W x

[Lola Gizmo]

Hi Dangermouse x cerazette can stop ovulation compared to any other mini pill. I believe it does so in about 90% of users. I think this is because it's a 12 hour window mini pill and not the usual 3 hours. So stronger.

Maybe this is why Cerazette is used in peri?

[Lola Gizmo]

Also agree with everyone posting that it's just trying and trying until we find something that works when our own hormones are going crazy in the background.
Hoping eventually the fluctuations will calm down and that's when HRT should be able to work better....  fingers crossed

[juliemargaret]

Hi wobbles noooooo i didnt think anything! I totally get you. Im with you. And youre no crackpot. Im not neither. Ive decided to stop putting myself down too for  feeling as i feel and querying and procrastinating  and everything bloody else. So what if i, we, have been repeating ourselves and seeking answers (i have !!) , thats ok, is just part of the unfortunate trip.
Last thing we need on top of this sh**load of stuff is our lovely selves being beaten up and put down by ..well..ourselves !!! So enough of the self name calling eh, we are just trying to navigate and god its a scary trip. Lucky are those who feel amazing from hrt, im not ever going to diss it but at the moment im struggling. Id like to say i was VERY in tune with my body pre hrt, knew my hormonal fluctuations were powerful shizzle - im just wondering now whether the added hrt right now may just be that bit TOO much...right now. (Not to rule out ever trying again should i stop for a bit and re evaluate). But....i also didnt feel THAT great before and swore estrogen was the missing link !!!!

Keep sharing and i, we, will all be here to catch your fall  and try prop you back up best we can ! X

[juliemargaret]

Lola - do you mean possibly going withoit hrt  a bit longer until fluctuations calm down or continuing whatever way we are until they calm/ balance? Xx

[Lola Gizmo]

Hi Jmargaret x my plan is to stay on cerazette for the 6 /12 months and then depending how I feel maybe then give HRT a try again.

If I feel much much better maybe stay on cerazette for longer x it's so hard to work out what's for the best.

All I know is I'm only 45 and I was fed up feeling like I was only existing and not living.  I do think peri just takes over. It's awful x

I definitely didn't feel the massive benefits when I was on HRT that some people get.

[Wobbles]

Oh Jmargaret - you sweetheart! I think you're my twin - I do all of those things.

I was convinced that oestrogen would be be my saviour and HRT would 'sort me out'. It's just the fluctuations.

I'm opting for doing nothing at the moment and having a break from it all. Accepting what comes in the next few months but just be the tonic I need 

W x

[dangermouse]

Hi Dangermouse x cerazette can stop ovulation compared to any other mini pill. I believe it does so in about 90% of users. I think this is because it's a 12 hour window mini pill and not the usual 3 hours. So stronger.

Maybe this is why Cerazette is used in peri?

Ah, apologies for any confusion!

Thanks, I thought only standard POPs existed but just read up on Desogestrel being able to stop an egg from being released. It doesn't explain how but maybe its through the creation of a hostile mucous environment.

I did use the combined pill initially in peri which subdued my oestrogen surges quite dramatically. They eventually broke through though and I did try the norethisterone POP but I only gave it a few days as it made me feel really irritable - even though I'd had norethisterone in my combined pills with no mood issues. I didn't give it long though so it may have settled.

[juliemargaret]

Thank you wobbles! Meant to asknyou did you just stop your estrogen or cut down x

[Wobbles]

I was never given a separate oestrogen - I had the tablet Femoston but didn't reduce the tablets either (wasn't advised on this), nothing for a week before the Evorel Conti which I could only cope with for five days. I've not taken any HRT since the end of August.

It was only reading on this site that the advice is to cut down gradually. Read that after I stopped abruptly of course  The leaflet thing for Evorel Conti just said take a break for a week then start the patches. Interestingly, it also give no info on stopping the patch - typical.

I just think - 'yeah, whatever' now and just wait for the next inevitable symptom 

[juliemargaret]

I feel ya!  I jist didnt take my gel this morn. Dont know for the life of me if done right thing - hubby reckons ive a virus - but regardless havent felt great prior so!

X

[Lola Gizmo]

I think it would be good to keep this thread running as we all seem to be in the same boat x

Dangermouse please don't apologise I think I've done that stupid thing in peri and read everything about everything x