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[Butterfly22]

It's a joke to be honest, I feel HRT is treat like it's a vitamin or something. Like PMT can be very serious for some ladies the menopause can be too.
Everytime  im settled on a HRT it's discontinued! There has never been consistency or help needed.
This carry on now dose not surprise  me I guess, I'm use to it.

[Rosie63]

Morning ladies.  I've just caught something on BBC news about the HRT shortages.  They are saying that Everol might not now be available until the middle of next year.  I'm not taking this particular HRT because I didn't tolerate the progesterone.  I'm still trying to find something that works for me after being on Prempak for years with no problems.  This particular HRT was discontinued a couple of years ago so I can totally relate to how ladies are feeling with not being able to source a regime that suits them.

I think it's a total disgrace that the shortages have been allowed to happen.  I'm not sure if it's due to Brexit but wonder if it's more to do with the fact that more ladies are choosing to take HRT now that it is deemed to be safer than previously thought.  Surely the manufacturers concerned must have been aware of this increase in demand and could have upped production to meet the increasing demand.

Sorry to rant but I feel really enraged that so many women will be at their wits end trying to get their HRT and the impact it will have on their lives !!

Rosie63x

[Katejo]

Morning ladies.  I've just caught something on BBC news about the HRT shortages.  They are saying that Everol might not now be available until the middle of next year.  I'm not taking this particular HRT because I didn't tolerate the progesterone.  I'm still trying to find something that works for me after being on Prempak for years with no problems.  This particular HRT was discontinued a couple of years ago so I can totally relate to how ladies are feeling with not being able to source a regime that suits them.

I think it's a total disgrace that the shortages have been allowed to happen.  I'm not sure if it's due to Brexit but wonder if it's more to do with the fact that more ladies are choosing to take HRT now that it is deemed to be safer than previously thought.  Surely the manufacturers concerned must have been aware of this increase in demand and could have upped production to meet the increasing demand.

Sorry to rant but I feel really enraged that so many women will be at their wits end trying to get their HRT and the impact it will have on their lives !!

Rosie63x

Yes I saw that too as I was having breakfast. Shocked to hear that there may not be any until next year. I go to Italy soon and will ask whether I can buy them there as you can in Spain.

[Butterfly22]

Hi Rosie,
I was on premique which was discontinued same time as the prempak. Like you I find it hard as I have ME so chemical sensitivity. I was on nouvelle 10 yrs that was discontinued, took four years to finally settle on premique, two years on this then discontinued!
After another bumpy couple of years I settled on duavine but a year on this had to stop as was not strong enough (I have ostperina due to early meno) so it's Important I get the right amount!  Then patches for about 8 months and yep can't get them as a knock on effect due to one brand not available. It's a disgrace. X

[Rosebush]

Rosie was sad to read your post as I am on Evorel Conti due to Femseven going off the market, got my prescription filled last week after making 15 phone calls and my hubby driving miles to get them for me, a very kind member had 14 patches she know longer required and posted them to me ( ) so they will help my HRT usage up to 5months, so come end of year and I will be back in panic mode, so bloody angry as to why we have not been given a full explantion as to why there is a shortage!!! 

[Katejo]

Hi Countrygirl,

just seen the news and some doctor that runs a meno clinic kept on saying women can't get the HRT that they WANT- shouldn't she being saying NEED! She said they can explore alternatives! She made it sound like we are a bunch of crazies demanding thier favorite sweeties. OMG - women are really treated differently.
PMX

Actually I thought that she came across ok and appreciated the problem. I don't think she was disputing the need for specific types.

[Tc]

Update. Spoke to.original pharmasist who still insists he cant get estradot 100  and he doesnt know how Lloyd's have got them. He told me to go back doc for new scrip and he said  "doctors are aware of the situation".  I said "im not so sure about that" and he said "they are now". .  Which I thought was weird thing to say.

But Then I  spoke Lloyd's again and she said
GPs have had a memo in the last couple of days informing them about which HRT are out of stock and which are low and likely to become unavailable.

She said she is wary of how stable the supply of estradot 100 will be and advised me to get as many written up as I can.to try to cover myself for the next 6 months. Yikes!!!!. 

I realy would like to know what's in that memo  and who it originated from!!!!!

[Tc]

Dont know why the link is so long, but i just read this.

https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-7389751/amp/Medical-experts-call-action-HRT-patch-shortages.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQEKAFwAQ%3D%3D#aoh=15666466215824&amp_ct=1566646647803&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fwires%2Fpa%2Farticle-7389751%2FMedical-experts-call-action-HRT-patch-shortages.html

[Katejo]

Dont know why the link is so long, but i just read this.

https://www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-7389751/amp/Medical-experts-call-action-HRT-patch-shortages.html?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQEKAFwAQ%3D%3D#aoh=15666466215824&amp_ct=1566646647803&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fwires%2Fpa%2Farticle-7389751%2FMedical-experts-call-action-HRT-patch-shortages.html

This one was discussed on the BBC News 24 Papers discussion last night. They didn't believe that there was a connection to Brexit but I am far from convinced.

[Sparrow]

Here is some more info from the BBC News website.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-49452029

[bear]

It all started with FemSeven conti and sequi patches...

Teva had decided to discontinue these products but soon afterwards Teva sold its Women's Health division to Theramex, that has decided to continue selling them, but with changes in adhesive structure (it's not clear what the problem is exactly, the patches have two adhesive matrix, one with hormones and the other with glue. Theramex says it's the glue one that's having issues, but FemSeven Estradiol only patches doesn't seem to have any issues). All FemSeven combi sold after that was the ones in stock, there has been no new manufacturing. The unavailability has caused previous users to switch to Evorel which in turn became unavailable due to increasing demand. The odd thing is that these companies are always spying on each other and this situation should have been anticipated, so there must be other things going on, one of them is China's and EU's medicine legislation's recent changes. Most raw ingredients come from China plants.

Apparently Teva had been selling FemSeven and equivalents only in some European countries and the UK, so that's why other countries are not experiencing HRT shortages.

Teva and Theramex financial issues www.fiercepharma.com/regulatory/teva-closing-up-women-s-health-unit-theramex-thanks-to-lousy-zoely-sales

Estradiol+Levonorgestrel transdermal therapeutic system (TTS), known as 'patch' patent expiration https://patents.google.com/patent/DE19728516C2/en

Patches leaflet errors: www.thieme-connect.com/products/ejournals/abstract/10.1055/a-0722-7419

Patches leaflet omission www.pharmacytimes.com/contributor/alexander-kantorovich-pharmd-bcps/2016/08/transdermal-patches-that-must-be-removed-before-mri

Many different reasons contributing to the current state of affairs.

BeaR.

[shrosphirelass]

I'm so worried about this having heard it on the news today and Evorel saying they had national shortages which wouldn't be resoved until the middle of next year. . I'm taking evorel sequi have put a prescription in but am really worried about whether I'll be able to get any. I've looked on line and all the chemists (that you pay for privately) are saying out of stock. I saw one seemed to have evorel conti so I may try and buy that as it would be better than nothing.

[Hurdity]

Bear - I'm sure there are behind the scenes politics going on but I can't quite understand the significance of any of the links in relation to current shortages of HRT in UK, especially the last 3. I think I'm missing something here?    I agree I am sure there are complex reasons though!

However I don't buy the argument put about generally in the media (eg BBC) that it's all down to Femseven being temporarily unavailable (although granted there must be some effect) - after all HRT products are being discontinued all the time and women shift to something else. Also it would not explain the shortages of Elleste - this must be something to do with that company Janssen who makes both the products (Evorel and Elleste). We have never seen the like of this before. There surely must be another explanation? At least we know that RCOG and BMS are looking into it but whether we will get the whole picture who knows? Could it be to do with Brexit?

When HRT shortages become number two story on Radio 4 first thing and lunchtime and there are spokespeople from RCOG and BMS then it must be serious! However to look on the positive side - see how much publicity menopause and HRT is getting - that can only be a good thing (she says as we prepare to sweat and snarl our way through the next few months!).

Let's hope everyone facing difficulties manages to get hold of something that enables them to continue functioning well and happily....

Hurdity x

[Katejo]

I'm so worried about this having heard it on the news today and Evorel saying they had national shortages which wouldn't be resoved until the middle of next year. . I'm taking evorel sequi have put a prescription in but am really worried about whether I'll be able to get any. I've looked on line and all the chemists (that you pay for privately) are saying out of stock. I saw one seemed to have evorel conti so I may try and buy that as it would be better than nothing.

Hi Shropshire Lass   I have just got hold of some Evorel Conti from the Independent Pharmacy. I can see however that they are now out of stock as well! I only ordered it a week ago and it was posted to me on Wednesday. I have collected it from the post office depot today. The one which they sent me appears to have been obtained from Belgium and has a  different brand name (Systen Conti) but in the same Evorel pink box. I only got 2 boxes of 8 from them.
If they do get more stock in, you don't have to pay the private supply price if you send them an NHS prescription (signed on the back and ticked if you get free prescriptions). I made a photocopy of mine in case it got lost in the post!

[shrosphirelass]

Thanks Katejo x