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[Sammiejane]

hi birdy

thank you i'm sure you have replied but having spoke to so many women on here i had forgot . menopause brain
i won't bother u again

[Tracey E]

Estrogen was the cause of my hair loss, it wasn't too low either. Estrogel states hair loss as one of it's side effects. It really isn't an uncommon problem Birdy otherwise it wouldn't be listed as a common side effect.

I agree fluctuating hormones and moving from one product to another might exasperate the condition, as can adding tetesterone to the mix. There are other health conditions that may also cause hair loss (anaemia, overactive thyroid etc).  I would explain to the doctor exactly how your feeling and all your concerns and  take it from there  Also ask for an appointment for the menopause clinic. Hopefully they will be able to put your mind at rest.

Sammie I feel your pain and I really hope you can find a solution to your problem. Good luck mi dear. 🙂

[Tracey E]

Hi Birdy I have to correct you on that point I have absolutely no idea what has caused Sammies hair loss. That's why I think Sammy needs to go back to her doctor for some more advice/support.

It took a painstaking amount of time to determine the cause of my side effects to HRT, having previously been advised that I should 'Up my Estrogel'. Like I said before, telling people to continually up their Estrogen can be castrostophic for some folk especially if they are already experiencing an adverse reaction to the product.

Hence why I always maintain,  consult a doctor before making any changes to your HRT, afterall we are mere forum posters and not professional menopause specialists.

[Sammiejane]

hi tracey e

i totally agree with u !

i have been referred to dermatologist several times and as my hair shedding has started since taking hrt dermatology do not believe it is low estrogen that has caused it but possible a surge in hormones as without ovaries your hormones are all pretty level as u loose them all suddenly and if my estrogen was declining slowly as suggested by others on here then my menopause symtoms would of been at the worse throughout the last 5 yrs and i would of felt the decline but my hair prior to hrt did the opposite it was thicker and grew quicker the only change was it had become dryer and more grey which i believe grey is low progesterone as well as genectics but i'm 40 so wouldn't have massives of grey hair for my age .

when u stopped hrt tracey how long did it take till u noticed your hair stopped falling out ?

the only way i'll know is to stop hrt !
i'm on 3 pumps gel and feel ok just hair issues and persistent wet knickers which i'm wondering if the ovestin cream is causing watery discharge ! either that or i'm constantly weeing myself without noticing x it's like the wet is coming from vulva labia majora and minora and spasms behind clitoris and urethra pressure .

[Tracey E]

Hi Sammie my hair stopped shedding within the 2nd week off HRT. Hardly any loss atm whether that will change in the future I dunno. Have you tried cod liver oil tablets Sammie a friend of mine swears by them and she has lovely glossy hair.

I wouldn't stop the HRT until you've had a word with your doctor. You are still very young and you need your Estrogen.

Have you had an hysterectomy? If so how long between that and starting HRT? X

[Sammiejane]

hi birdy

ive been on ovestin twice a week for 10 months and the wetness improved but last 3/4 weeks been getting worse its like i can feel stuff trickling out , its weird but it like the sweat from flushes is being collected up and expelling through my groin well vagina , normally day after applying the ovestin i would have discharge ie the cream come out but it wasnt wet as such and was thicker now its wet and lots more of it i feel if i relax down there im gunna wee myself ! can the ovestin stop working x

tracey e

i had my hysterectomy in 2014 5 yrs ago no symtoms only couple hot flashes intill june 2018 then had damp knickers and that was my only symtom no hairloss no fatique no mood swings but i started hrt for dampness but to be honest has madr no difference and now after 10months with systemic hrt and ovestin my dampness is back to square one . infact sinxe increasing my gel to 3 pumps has got worse , but it could be im just not ovsorbing it at all i upped from 2 to 3 pumps because i wasnt ovsorbing it but things are worse yet im told theres no prolapse ! whats does it mean wheb thry say no significant prolapse. my mum thinks i should stop hrt because ive been worse on it then off it , i had swapped yo the estradot patch 75 which i knew i was obsorbing as had sore boobs again and improved down below. i just am frustrated so much with it i want an answer for my dampness but gynocologisy dont know x

[Tracey E]

Hi again Sammie, if I was you I would push to see a menopause specialist just to give you some answers. Maybe you just need to find the right amount if Estrogen to stop your symptons and cure your symptons.

Sorry I can't be more help... X

[jaycee]

Sammijane, have you tried vagifem?  if ovestin affects you badly,that feeling you said you get sounds exactly like the feeling  I got when I first discovered VA I had a bad urine infection, and the feeling with it was just as you have described
I was then given vagifem ,and after some antibiotics and the vagifem it went away
Yours might be something completely different, but ovestin affects me again ,as you describe,
It didn't for the first few days, but seems to now, also the wetness

[Sammiejane]

hi jaycee

have you used ovestin then and found the same creating wetness it's not every day like today i had a little and then it dries and it's whitish so think it discharge rather then wee but some days it's bad and feels like i've wet myself but not sure if it is wetness from cream or combination of increasing gel to 3 pumps maybe making me too moist down there i noticed it was better when i was on the patch but again that could of been due to better obsorbtion .
i initially started on vagifem but notice 5 weeks into taking it my hair started shedding but is still shedding now so not sure if it was the vagifem i guess the only way to know is to try it again and see if shedding gets worse i count my hairs everyday lol so would know , i know sounds crazy 😜.

hi birdy
i'm already under menopause specialist but because i've been on my journey 1 year now i have tried elleste solo patch didn't suit tried everol patch wouldn't stick been on estrogel 2 pumps now 3 because not obsorbing but had changed to estradot 75 as 50 wasn't enough but did 5 weeks on them but couldn't get them anymore out of stock so i've had to back on the gel but found on patch i was ok just mega sore boobs headaches and sleep was worse but had i of been on them longer may of settled , but menopause now are saying that maybe HRT dosent suit me an i may need to consider stopping it and refer me to a metabolic clinic for bone protection as that's all they seemed bothered about !
does progesterone improve hair ? maybe it's an imbalance between estrogen and progesterone i know i'll need testosterone but if progesterone works for hair i'll take this to ! and balance all 3 hormones but again have tried utrogestan and felt ok little drowsy bloated but found i urinated more!

so currently i'm just using 3 pumps gel and ovestin twice week although have increased to 3 from this week but yes i may have to back to vagifem ! i did get sticky discharge with the vagifem . thing is i still don't think i had VA because didn't hurt having sex didn't have frequent urination or UTIs ! what happened was i did some sit ups night before and after i got up and went in to do some squats and felt something pop left groin no pain or anything and the following morning walking to work i had wet patch and has continued ever since very strange and if the wetness is VA still then again why at my checks up with gynocologist do they say u no longer have atrophy as the vagina is well estronised so then i think is it wee ! can u have incontinence without prolapse ?

[Sammiejane]

hi birdy

what's a gum clinic ?

what you mean ref VA my appointment couple weeks ago with gynocologist said i don't have VA it all well estronised so if i did have it then the ovestin has worked but still i have this dampness !

[jaycee]

Yes Sammijo, I have only recently started using Ovestin and it does make you feel wet, but not watery like wee, and yes you can have incontinence without a prolapse, i'm lucky I don't have that problem .but my sister has and she doesn't have a prolapse

[Sammiejane]

hi birdy

i've had pelvic floor exam by specialist who have given me excersises as pelvic floor strength good just slight weakness on the right same side as my batholemew cyst not sure if connected.

i've had camera in bladder and urethra all looks normal

i've had urodynamics test done and bladder capacity is filling up and emptying fine and isn't contracting when it shouldn't be , they got me to cough and bear down but didn't actually look to see if anything leaked out but said they would know through pressure on monitor and gynocologist exam also got me to bear down and cough no leakage he could see .
mri showed no prolapse or no significant prolapse what does that mean ? there is one there isn't ?

to be honest my only symtoms of menopause is vaginally and hairloss now ! before it was just vaginal

[Sammiejane]

hi birdy

already under a menopause specialist maybe had this been offered to me 5 yrs who i may be on the rollercoster now !

do u think i should stay on 3 times a week ovestin or try vagifem ? i've got symtoms to of after i wee feel like i need another wee pressure there constantly and feel if i relax wee is going to come out ! my hairloss to have doubled in last few days so maybe i'm not obsorbing at all from estrogel .

jaycee

how come you swapped from the vagifem to ovestin ? if it was working

[Sammiejane]

hi birdy

blood test for what!

my next hormone test is mid november and i'm seeing menopause 28th november !
but as i have stuck to a constant regime for 8 or months which was estrogel 2 pumps i wasn't obsorbing it so meno advised either up to 3 pumps or change to a patch as me E levels had dropped from 195 to 104 so i went on estradiol patch and was fine but then went out of stock so back on gel at 3 pumps but i think when i see menopause i may stop hrt for a while see if hair improves and just use vaginal estrogen or i need to change to maybe a combined therapy of estrogen and progesterone because something is upsetting my hair ever since starting hrt

[jaycee]

Sammiejo, I changed from from  Vagifem  to Ovestin, for the same reason as you, because I worried about  hair loss, but I didn''t use them very often, but my hair was still shedding up to recently, but now more thinning, the ovestin doesn't last long though,had to get another tube already
Also regarding the wetness,i don't think the ovestin gets to where it should, not high enough as the applicator is very weak and it's easy to let the cream come out of it too soon, it slides too fast if you know what I mean,so leaks out again