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dangermouse

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Re: Adrenals & menopause
« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2018, 11:05:19 AM »

This is Larry Wilson's take on menopause:

MENOPAUSAL SYMPTOMS
 
Menopause should occur without difficulties if the adrenal and thyroid glands function normally.  In fact, it should be a time of great joy, ease and even relief for women who have been concerned with unwanted pregnancy or perhaps plagued by symptoms related to premenstrual tension, heavy menstrual bleeding, or other symptoms.

However, if the adrenal and thyroid glands are not functioning well, many women experience hot flashes, fatigue, irritability, depression and perhaps vaginal dryness at menopause.  Also, their risk for osteoporosis and some cancers increases.

None of these symptoms or diseases are inevitable, and they can all be handled without using hormones, drugs, or herbal products such as Amberen, black cohosh, and others.
 
CAUSES OF MENOPAUSAL SYMPTOMS
 
The hormonal theory.
One way to understand menopausal symptoms is that imbalances in the thyroid and adrenal glands interact with lowered hormone levels.  This occurs most often when the ovaries cease producing the same amount of ovarian hormones such as estrogen and progesterone.

Normally, the adrenal glands should increase or balance the lower ovarian production and there should be no symptoms.  If they do not do this, then symptoms arise.

Said differently, the inappropriate responses of the adrenal and thyroid glands to the changes in the ovarian hormones are what cause the vast majority of menopausal symptoms.

This means that correcting thyroid and adrenal imbalances can go a long way to preventing and correcting menopausal symptoms.
 
The stress theory.
A second way to look at menopausal symptoms is that a hormonal change causes added stress on the body.  The woman's glandular system can react by having occasional ‘flashes' of adrenal activity, which are most annoying, though they are not harmful as far as medical science knows.  This might be called the stress theory of menopause, which is also essentially correct.
 
THE ADRENALS AND MENOPAUSE
 
The adrenal glands, perched on top the kidneys, produce small quantities of both male and female sex hormones.  At the menopause, the adrenal glands should produce adequate estrogens, progesterone and other needed hormones in the correct balance and amounts to avoid symptoms that can occur when ovarian hormone production of these hormones diminishes.

However, many women today have a
condition that is termed adrenal insufficiency.  This is basically underactivity of the adrenal glands.  These women's adrenals do not respond correctly to the new need for sex hormones in response to diminished ovarian hormone secretion. Briefly, the causes of weakened adrenals include stress of any kind, nutritional deficiencies and almost always a buildup of toxic substances.  These include toxic metals and perhaps environmental chemicals in the adrenal glands themselves and/or in the pituitary gland, which regulates the adrenal glands, signaling them when and how much of its hormones to secrete.

At times, an imbalance of the autonomic nervous system is at fault as well.  This can cause the adrenals to malfunction, secreting either too much or too little or the incorrect balance of hormones.  This brings us to the other vital gland involved in menopause symptoms.
 
THE THYROID GLAND AND MENOPAUSE
 
The thyroid gland is the other piece of the puzzle that frequently is involved in menopausal symptoms.  This is not to say there are not other causes, which are covered later.  However, thyroid imbalances are very common and definitely affect female hormone regulation in the body.

The thyroid produces thyroxine, a powerful hormone that affect the burning of sugar or glucose in the body and in so doing regulates the rate of metabolism, body temperature and much more.  It is such a critical hormone that many people are given thyroid hormone replacement when they feel tired, cold, short of breath or have thin, brittle or falling hair.  Low thyroid activity can also cause weight gain, a sallow complexion and many more problems for a person.
 
CAUSES OF THYROID IMBALANCE
 
Thyroid difficulties are extremely common and almost universal due to iodine deficiency, in part due to the presence of iodine antagonists in the environment such as fluorides, chlorine compounds and bromides in baked goods such as breads.

I find that diagnostic names such as hypothyroidism, Hashimoto's thyroiditis or others are less important than figuring out and correcting the biochemical imbalances affecting the thyroid gland.
The gland is either toxic, depleted of vital nutrients like iodine, or affected by tumors, or is not functioning correctly due to pituitary gland problems.  This gland, often called the master gland, secretes TSH or thyroid stimulating hormone.  This hormone directs the thyroid to secrete its hormone in the proper amount.

Other thyroid imbalances that are somewhat less common include an inability to convert T4, a largely inactive hormone, to its active form called T3 or triiodothyronine.  This imbalance is called Wilson's Syndrome, and can be researched on the internet.  It is overdiagnosed in our opinion since many times the cause is once again a toxic or depleted body chemistry.  Specifically, selenium and other nutrients are greatly deficient in this condition and it usually responds to the type of nutritional therapy that we suggest.

Another cause of thyroid problems that is extremely common is stress.  This is a general term for excessive physical, mental or emotional activity that overtaxes the gland.  When it can no longer respond correctly, it malfunctions, either secreting too much or too little hormone.  These are among the major causes of thyroid imbalances.

Another cause of thyroid imbalances, touched upon but in need of elaboration, is mental and emotional stress that affects the thyroid gland, in particular.  Women are much more prone to this stress-related condition than men.
In general, women are less accustomed to expressing themselves completely.  They have been shut out of the mainstream of society by men and by tradition in many cases, for generations.  As a result, when faced with a crisis, they often go into a form of “overdrive” or a more technical term is a stress response that severely taxes their thyroid gland. When this occurs, and it can happen at any age and usually in childhood, the thyroid is severely damaged.  The problem frequently does not reveal itself on tests until menopause, when the deficiency of ovarian hormones places added stress on a woman's body.

At this time, the problem “catches up” with the woman and she experiences symptoms that are attributed to menopause but are really due to an underlying thyroid imbalance.  The thyroid problem may or may not be revealed on standard blood tests. 

However, it is very apparent on properly interpreted hair mineral analyses and often by symptoms such as a low body temperature, dry hair and very dry skin at times, fatigue, weight gain in some cases and perhaps other related conditions.

Another very unusual cause of thyroid difficulties is problems in the batteries that are in the thyroid gland.  These have to do with supplying energy to the gland. 
 
THE BONES AND MENOPAUSE
 
Bone health is impacted by menopausal symptoms.  Copper is sometimes involved in this process. Copper helps fix calcium in the bones. Without adequate bioavailable copper, calcium may go to the bones, but does not remain as well as it should.

Another related syndrome we call slow oxidation involves the bones.  Slow oxidizers, as those with sluggish adrenals and thyroid activity are termed, often have biounavailable calcium and magnesium because the body cannot keep these minerals in solution in the blood and they precipitate or collect in the soft tissues instead.  The body then robs the bones of calcium to place more calcium into the blood.  This is also explained more in another article on this website, Osteoporosis.

Lead can also enter the bones and weaken them and this is the case in many, many women.  Like the fatigue and stress feelings, the bone problems often begin to show up at the time of menopause or afterwards.  At this time, the hormone system is under more stress and begins to malfunction more obviously.
 
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NorthArm

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Re: Adrenals & menopause
« Reply #16 on: December 18, 2018, 11:18:15 AM »

Wow dangermouse! What a terrific article - so interesting. Thank you so much for sharing xx
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BlueButterfly

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Re: Adrenals & menopause
« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2018, 05:10:48 PM »

Thank you for posting all this! I have suspected some adrenal issues but nothing shows up on standard tests. The doctor who did the tests is not against the idea of adrenal fatigue but doesnt know much about treating it.
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racjen

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Re: Adrenals & menopause
« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2018, 07:38:04 PM »

Blue Butterfly that's the problem isn't it - there may be something in this but unless you can find someone who really is an expert in treating it it really leaves us no further forward. And unfortunately you're highly unlikely to find that person on the NHS, so we''re talking about spending a hell of a lot of money on something that may or may not make any difference at all. Personally I'm wary, probably because I've been through the whole alternative cancer treatment bombardment, and to be honest you could spend your entire lottery winnings on this stuff and be no further forward, because in the end nobody really knows. And with the menopause it may in the end just be time that heals, but the alternative practitioners/quacks/whatever will always try to claim it was their particular enema, extreme diet or Amazonian tree frog poison that did the trick....;)
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dangermouse

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Re: Adrenals & menopause
« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2018, 08:38:27 PM »

He does have a free programme - either done thoroughly with supplements (they suggest brands or tell you what needs to be in them to source own, so not selling them) or just following the dietary advice:

http://drlwilson.com/articles/HEALING%20LIFESTYLE.htm

I did have a practitioner who I just emailed and it wasn't expensive, which gives a more personalised plan from hair analysis.

I do regret not sticking with it as I remember I did feel better but then thought I was ok and so stopped.
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racjen

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Re: Adrenals & menopause
« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2018, 11:01:31 PM »

But even  just the supplements can be incredibly expensive - they have to be the right quality, brand etc. and tbh you have no way of knowing if they're what's making the difference (if they do), especially if you're taking a number of different ones. To be really rigorous about it you need to introduce one thing at a time and then give it a while to see what happens. I'm not convinced....
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Shadyglade

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« Reply #21 on: December 18, 2018, 11:19:04 PM »

That's fine racjen. We all follow our own path. But to be honest conventional meds are often trial and error and that's nearly £9 a pop.

If you don't mind me asking do you take anything for meno symptoms, alternatives or HRT, and if so any success?
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dangermouse

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Re: Adrenals & menopause
« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2018, 03:20:46 AM »

I think the diet aspect is the most important (as in the high amounts of cooked veg he advises for getting the nutrients) and avoiding raw foods and keeping salt intake a little higher.

The main point though is that there is clearly something about our body chemistries that mean some women suffer terribly when hormones go awry and others have zero symptoms (I am the former, my mum the latter).

I also started reacting to the slightest toxic chemicals after 35 (fluoride toothpastes and alum antiperspirants made me break out in a hot sweat and get palpitations) so, even once peri surges calm down, I'd like to strengthen my endocrine system for long term health.
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racjen

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Re: Adrenals & menopause
« Reply #23 on: December 19, 2018, 08:54:09 AM »

Shadyglade, yes I've been struggling with awful depression and anxiety symptoms for over a year now. The depression has improved with a high dose of Evorel (currently on 150) but nothing makes any difference to the anxiety - it was triggered by starting utrogestan, but now it makes no difference whether I take it or not, it's the same every day. Can't take ADs or other drugs as I'm super-sensitive to them, have tried everything going. Also tried CBD oil, same problem plus it's expensive and you need a very high dose to combat anxiety (apparently).
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Shadyglade

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Re: Adrenals & menopause
« Reply #24 on: December 19, 2018, 12:28:23 PM »

Gosh, it's a bugger isn't it.

Don't give up though. You will either find something that helps or hopefully the symptoms will settle.  :hug:
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BlueButterfly

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Re: Adrenals & menopause
« Reply #25 on: December 19, 2018, 03:01:04 PM »

I do find having a better diet helps... especially cutting down on the sweets. I'm not doing so well with that at this time of year. But they sure taste good.

As far as supplements and quality, etc. I think something is better than nothing really. Yes, on some of my vitamins/supplements I feel they need to be better quality but the cheap ones work for some of them as well. I think you have to listen to your body on everything.

From what I've read with adrenal fatigue, there's really nothing too drastic that needs to be done to help improve their function. Most of the dietary changes seem to go along with changes that help hormonal issues as well. And the vitamins etc are things I already take for other reasons. And the lifestyle changes are just good for you all around.
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Ladybt28

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Re: Adrenals & menopause
« Reply #26 on: December 19, 2018, 03:46:40 PM »

The issue with thyroid in balance is that our NHS tests are not extensive enough and they miss one of the key elements - testing at all for T3 levels. Thyroid Uk outline what should be tested and I have listed it here but the other issue is if your levels are on the low end of the scale they may be within the NHS range but that level may be too low or too high for your own body personally.

TSH, TT4 AND FT4
There is a range, which is used for the tests. These vary sometimes which is why you must always ask what the range is, so that you can see where you are in the range.
TSH = THYROID STIMULATING HORMONE
This hormone comes from the pituitary to stimulate the thyroid gland into making more hormone. TSH rises when the thyroid is struggling.
The approx. reference range for this test is 0.4 to 4.5.
TT4 = TOTAL T4
Thyroid hormones bound to proteins. TT4 lowers when the thyroid is struggling.
The approx. reference range for this test is 50 to 160.
FT4 = FREE T4
Thyroid hormones not bound to proteins. FT4 lowers when the thyroid is struggling.
The approx. reference range for this test is 10 to 24
FT3 = FREE T3
T4 converts to T3 and is the only thyroid hormone actually used by the body's cells.
The approx. reference range for Free T3 is 4 to 8.3
We at Thyroid UK believe that you need to know your Free T3 level too because this will often show low if you are not converting, and high if you have blocked receptor cells. Even if you are converting, the body needs the extra T3 that a normal thyroid produces. There has been some research to show that people feel better on a mixture of Thyroxine (T4) and Triiodothyronine (T3). Effects of Thyroxine as Compared with Thyroxine plus Triiodothyronine in patients with hypothyroidism – The New England Journal of Medicine Feb.11, 99 Vol. 340.


In terms of adrenal fatigue the NHS only believe if you have symptoms of Addisons Disease which is very rare in the UK would they actually send you to an endocrinologist to test your adrenal function.  The symptoms are fairly dramatic including a craving for salt and darkening of the skin to make it Addisons, but the other symptoms are fatigue, changes in blood pressure, nausea, diahhrea, weight loss and weakness which to be honest can be the symptoms for loads of things.  I am pretty sure that if you have "reduced/poor" adrenal function which can be impaired by stress you would have fatigue like symptoms but you wouldn't have Addisons but there is never going to be any way you would know because no one tests for it.

I know it can be fixed with supplements BlueButterfly but which ones and the right balance is very hit and miss without accurate benchmarks.  I know because I tried it all based on the American theories which were well before their time here and when such ideas were considered totally bonkers.  Adrenal fatigue has been in discussion outside mainstream medical circles for over 30 year together with the discussions about causes of chronic fatigue and ME which have expanded on to gut health etc etc.  Did anyone see the recent press article which outlined a study which showed that CF/ME is probably an overactive immune response - nothing new really but a bit more confirmation.

I've often described our bodies like a poorly tuned engine when they go awry.  Put the wrong oil in, or have the wrong mix of oil, air and water and they splutter or dont work at all.  There are so many chemicals that we need to balance and process inside each one of us which can be affected by a million things,including our height weight, genetics etc, it's no wonder they go up the left!!!


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suzysunday

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Re: Adrenals & menopause
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2018, 04:21:15 PM »

Interesting view about the adrenals. But it is very difficult to self medicate with supplements.  Having said that I am tentatively experimenting with having the adrenal cocktail someone mentioned on here, mainly cos it was cheap! Trouble is, my anxiety is so high these days that as soon as I try something myself, I then worry it's going to make me worse.  I've bought quite a bit of stuff from health food shops etc for health issues and none have worked. Dosing, quality and price make it very hit and miss.

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Droopeydrawers

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« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2018, 04:30:11 PM »

Hi ladies can I poke my oar in and suggest you have a look on Dr Rangan Chatterjee website you'll get masses of free tips and podcasts and down to earth advice from him.hes one of the new breed of lifestyle doctors who believes we can turn things around with diet and lifestyle choices and has proven it time and time again with his tv series in the UK.i wish to god I had a gp like him and I'm using his advice to come through my meno hrt free now and it seems to be working well. unfortunately hrt just wasn't for me after many attempts.have a nosy if nothing else it's worth it.good luck DD😘
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Shadyglade

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« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2018, 04:41:08 PM »

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