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[CLKD]

Maybe because they want it 'all'.  Someone told me that because she had 'lost' her job they would have to forfeit their two Continental holidays a year  . 

Back to basics wouldn't hurt.  When I think how I walked round to the red phone box every Friday to speak to Himself - that was push button A or B  , cold, draughty, they all smelled [smelt  ] the same ......... had to save pennies to put into the box etc., etc..

Brung up tuff I was  . 

Maybe Ladybt have a gadget free weekend occasionally?  I remember the 3 day week, with candles.  At least we had a rota so we knew when the electric would be off. 

[Gangan]

But why impose what happened in our generation on the next ?
If foreign holidays are within reach financially and physically nowadays why not ? New experiences and languages to learn.
My daughter in law is someone who wants it all and wants it now and will happily use the credit card as a means to an end but she has learnt the hard way in recent years. So money constrains most things in the end.
We're off to see granddaughter be an angel this afternoon !! won't need to dust off my old canon camera as daughter has her phone for taking pictures.
Gangan X

[CLKD]

   I would take the camera - in case she hasn't charged the 'phone  . Enjoy 

[Katejo]

But why impose what happened in our generation on the next ?
If foreign holidays are within reach financially and physically nowadays why not ? New experiences and languages to learn.
My daughter in law is someone who wants it all and wants it now and will happily use the credit card as a means to an end but she has learnt the hard way in recent years. So money constrains most things in the end.
We're off to see granddaughter be an angel this afternoon !! won't need to dust off my old canon camera as daughter has her phone for taking pictures.
Gangan X

I agree absolutely. I was brought up on a tight budget and trained to save for everything and I still do. I don't spend money on expensive gadgets/latest phone upgrades.  We didn't have a phone until I was 19 and our family holidays were almost entirely UK camping holidays. I have never been able to use a credit card for non essentials without saving first. However, now that I can afford a couple of overseas trips a year, why shouldn't I and the same applies to others?  Brexit will restrict travel for all of us if visas are required and travel insurance becomes unaffordable due to the absence of the EHIC. Why shouldn't younger people benefit in the way in which many of us have already done? I still want to travel while still healthy enough to do so.
I bought a new Canon camera this year and still prefer  it to a phone camera. I have one on my iPod but only use it for occasional shots.

[CLKD]

You wrote : You can afford : many who cannot afford whinge because they have to 'give' up what is really a privalege.  [sp].  Those I listen to or speak with simply don't get the mind set of giving up something in order to enjoy a holiday but 2  .  Like the World owes them 

Dad converted a van for holidays when we were tiny.  He was of the Generation that was handy with his hands, knew how electrics worked and how to change a wheel  . We also had days out to the coast or stayed with friends - to them 1 year, to us the next. 

  a heron has just landed outside my window  gone now. 

A day out to the City 15 miles away was a Big Trip when I was young 

[jaypo]

You're so right clkd,people think that the world owes them a living,I even heard that some young uns,thought us older folks should pay more taxes so that they didn't have to pay as much,f*#&£ng cheek of it. I was always brought up that if you can't afford it you can't have it,simple,you'd think but the number of times you hear of parents going deep into debt because their little darlings just CANT go without the latest Xbox or PlayStation,it's infuriating,I was a single parent for a long time & my daughter didn't get all she wanted but she always understood why,now she's almost 30 & certainly doesn't hold it against me.
We will all survive whenever brexit happens,we did before and we will again,I'm now at the stage I couldn't care less,be happy everyone 😊

[Gangan]

  I would take the camera - in case she hasn't charged the 'phone  . Enjoy 

Thanks CLKD. She did ok and played her part.

Gangan X

[CLKD]

Proud then!  Are you humming the songs now 

When we were old enough Mum would put the money from her purse and show us which pennies were going for which: food, dinner money, rent, electricity, coal - if there was any over at the end of the month, we got a comic.  As we got older we had a weekly ballet and a music lesson, everything else was provided at school.   Cycles were 2nd hand.   We went to jumble sales ........... which were more like a scrummage  .  The thing that Mum insisted upon were new shoes. plimsolls and wellies but they had to be 'school' fashion. 

I don't owe anyone, other than my Husband, anything.  My family worked and we saved hard for early retirement.  People make choices but please don't let them moan that they 'can't afford' 2 Continental holidays when they are out of work.  Maybe we should return to taking proper photos so that we build memories? rather than taking them, missing the point and not down-loading.  So that 'when we have money saved, we can go X, Y, Z'.  I would ban mobiles etc round the table every day and on holiday  .......

[Ladybt28]

CLKD - you said about me having a technology free zone.  I have to use it for work but I'm a rubbish techy!  Mobiles are for making phone calls or sending texts as far as I'm concerned...  but really I think that by the time you have written the text you should have called and told the person what you want to say!  It would not occur to me to: stream?? watch a movie, shop online go on facebook - I don't have the app on my phone for this forum!  Facebook, Instagram, spotify, playing games, or even candy crush (I've heard of it but don't actually know what it is?) etc - I have not a clue.  The only thing I think is good is Facetime so we can talk to the children and the grandchildren and actually see them and we probably only do one call a week. And google can be useful now libraries are shut down! Other than that, pens and paper, and being able to make ordinary calls is fine by me.  My lot, even the grown up ones who should know better are welded to their flaming phones - drives me insane.

The companies I work with run "paperless offices" but my clients are not good with tech either so all that happens is my office gets filled with the paperwork that should have disappeared into the ether!  I have to print it to send to the client!  Its rubbish, this tech business, rubbish!  By the way I'm pretty grumpy today

[jaypo]

Don't you hate it when you see a couple having a meal out & the pair of them are on their mobiles!?! Or a mother (which is even worse) sitting having a coffee & her child could literally be doing anything,coz she's on her mobile,I'm like you ladybt,texts and calls 😄

[CLKD]

I HATE seeing children being pushed forwards in strollers.  They need to be engaged by the parent/s not looking into the distance.  I watch many pushing kids into the vehicle fumes, into the wind/rain/snow - but the pusher is on the mobile 

Everything should be paper copied, with 1 in the office and 1 at home or out of the office.  In case of fire?

Companies should be encouraged to not contact their employees out of office hours and work people should not answer their mobiles. 

[Shadyglade]

Interesting developments today.

Government in melt down. What next?

Shall we start a Sweepstake. 

[CLKD]

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[jaypo]

Oh my,it's doing my head in now,did you see Mrs May today? I feel sorry for her,all the men sounded like a herd of cattle,certainly don't want them running things,no matter who was in charge,there would be opposition.
Think I'm going to stay away til it's all over
Lanzarote anybody?😂

[CLKD]

I do wish that the national papers would have an 'insert' purely for Brexit so that I can recycle it immediately, like I do the football inserts