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Annie0710

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I suffered depersonalisation during puberty, had no idea what they were until I hit meno and read up on them.  Doc all the years ago told my mum it was hormonal.  Truly terrifying experiences.  As anxiety hit again during meno I went to a cognitive hypnotherapist and she wanted to induce the depersonalisation under hypnotherapy.  I refused point blank, during meno I've been close to it returning but I seem to be able to stop myself going the whole way, somehow, it can start and I can feel that horrible feeling.  Where am I ? Is this real life? Awful, wouldn't wish it on anyone x
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CLKD

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One shouldn't need to book private blood tests in the UK  :-\
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EnglishRose

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I suffered depersonalisation during puberty, had no idea what they were until I hit meno and read up on them.  Doc all the years ago told my mum it was hormonal.  Truly terrifying experiences.  As anxiety hit again during meno I went to a cognitive hypnotherapist and she wanted to induce the depersonalisation under hypnotherapy.  I refused point blank, during meno I've been close to it returning but I seem to be able to stop myself going the whole way, somehow, it can start and I can feel that horrible feeling.  Where am I ? Is this real life? Awful, wouldn't wish it on anyone x

Thank you for sharing - It's not something I have ever experienced before. I have only had a few fairly mild attacks this last month nothing prior then a few days ago the deepest wave of depression followed by derealisation. For me it was like being trapped inside a bubble. Detached from surroundings emotionally.. its very hard to describe... close to feeling like your actually dreaming... I remember looking at my dog and stroking her and thinking how unreal she looked and how detached I felt to her on any level.

The fear is getting trapped like that... like that will become how you feel for ever...

The derealisation lasted about an hour or so the depression about 3 from the mildest start to the horrendous peak, then it gradually lifted.

I am constantly waiting for the next attack and thats how you can get clinically depressed because for me at least it comes from no where ... I feel like I can be "got at" at any time or any day.

I don't fully understand why this is happening to me now.... I guess I always knew the closer I got to the meno the more intense it would get but I expected my usual symptoms to increase...night sweats, insomnia, anxiety in general about specific things.... Whatever I am going through now is new to me ... I am not familiar with any of it and not prepared
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EnglishRose

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One shouldn't need to book private blood tests in the UK  :-\

I am lucky I can afford it and its just easier and faster to get exactly what I want than go through the whole appointment x 6 with the doctors before they will do anything then further appointments with the nurse then  back to the doctor to be told "Everything is normal"

No! Nothing is "normal" and  I don't want to be fobbed off with ADs or anxiety meds...I have been there and done that in ignorance when this all kicked off aged 40....looking back it was nothing like what I am experiencing now though...
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EnglishRose

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4 me a sudden attack of low blood sugar is intense nausea ....... because the body is hungry.  Then my head feels woozy  :-\.  I have learnt to eat little and often.  Bananas and dried fruits and nuts are my stand-bys to try to stop that awful dip. 

The body needs a balanced diet, including fats, dairy, sugars, plenty of hydration ......... we are built pretty well but if we alter what we eat/drink too drastically the body will rebel  :D  ::)

I don't understand a 'weak immune system' have you been diagnosed with something specific?  I have allergic rhinitis which presents as runny or dry nose, sudden sneezing when my body temperature changes which can be embarrassing  :-\ and can be eased by deep hoovering as well as specific nasal sprays if necessary.  That took several years to learn to control.


I think many health issues can be made more apparent when hormones begin to wax and wane.  Each one of us finds it different though many situations can affect all of us.  Do read our threads about vaginal atrophy - forewarned is forearmed!  As oestrogen levels drop off the body may become dry: inside and out; deep in the ears, nose, skin, vagina, scalp ....... as well as the muscles may become lax = aches and pains.  It ain't called 'the change' for nowt. 

One cannot influence hormones much other than be replacement therapy but 1 can upset the body over-all when we begin trying to find out things to ease symptoms.  Some find that herbs etc. help initially but as hormones take over, any benefit is lost.  There is a room for alternatives too.

Let us know how you get on.  No subject is taboo on here ;-)

Thank you

When I was about 40 ish I started falling ill and bedridden with aching restless legs, lower back pain, general weakness and malaise ....like a virus but with none of the head cold symptoms.
I could be in bed for a week or 3 to 4 and then I would gradually get stronger and feel fine again.

I had some bloods done thyroid etc and they always came back normal so I stopped going to the doctors..... I was worried they would palm me off with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome ... thats what they do, they do the blood tests and if everything comes back as "normal" then they run out of options and strike you off with CFS or ME and I knew this was something that could be fixed.

I am a believer that nutrition is the cause for the vast majority of disease and illnesses but nutrition other than the standard stuff is not something the NHS will consider or looking into.

Systemic candida is something that only happens to AIDs patients according to them were as I believe our modern fast food high sugar diet combined with modern day stress can play havoc with our immune system and 70% of our immune system starts in the gut. Even if they humoured me they would only be able to prescribe anti-fungal / antibiotics which do kill the yeast (bad bacteria) but then you need to rebuild the good bacteria again. Its basically a nutritionist job and one not governed by the out of date teachings from the medical schools whose approach to almost any condition has not changed much in decades. only the drugs they prescribe have changed.

So I self researched and decided I had systemic candida (a gut imbalance) .. but never truly did much about it....limped along taking the good times and putting up with the bad. Its got so bad I am sick 70% of the time and so I decided to cut the sugars and take probiotics but all its done is make me sicker and created these horrible mental issues I have never had before. Its been a month since I stopped the probiotics.

I have had a stool test done and gut immunity test (private) via a nutritionist (private) to see exactly what bacteria I have in my gut the ratio and whether it has advanced out of the stomach into the bloodstream and other organs.
The gut immunity tests for well I am guessing immunity and inflammation of the gut.

I will feel a little better when I get those results back and I can see exactly what I am dealing with.

I know the gut also is linked to our hormones so I feel by taking probiotics I have dropped a bomb in my system and stirred up a whole lot of hormones too....its just a theory :) 
« Last Edit: April 19, 2018, 09:33:07 PM by roseenglish »
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CLKD

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It's a theory.  Hormones control most of our body ........ most of the time we aren't aware of the role they each play but boy, are we aware when they get out of kilter!

Cortisol: the waking up hormone: floored me in the 1990s.  I would wake terrified  :'(.

Adrenaline : causes anxiety, even though I know it's fight/flight response it's the physicality that makes me feel so ill

Propbiotics ect. : is that predictive text again  ::) : R unlikely to influence the hormones at all.  I have drunk Actimel 4 years due to slow bowel transit  >:( and I have had no effects on any other part of my body. Works the bowel nice and gently though ;-)

The gut is known as the 2nd brain though ........ which is where I feel ill, as soon as anxiety strikes or if I'm sitting an exam., visiting friends, going shopping .......... bugga ..........

For years I had restless legs.  Bananas cured them  :o.  I was eating more to stop that awful sudden hunger feeling and the side effect, after 5 nights, no restless legs.  4 me it's lack of potassium.  Apparently.

If ever my gut is inflammed I am aware of a kind of burning and 'off' feeling  :-\.  I also have reflux which can get worse into full heartburn, sleeping becomes impossible until I have chewed at least two Rennies  ::)

Let us know?
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Dancinggirl

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roseenglish - what are you bowel movements like? Do you open you bowels regularly?   Do you get constipated or suffer with diarrhoea? Do you get cramps or pains as you digest food?
I had a nasty bout of diverticulitis last year - very nasty pain, passing small amounts blood with bowel movements and felt debilitated - it was quite frightening.   I had been prescribed PPI drugs for heartburn and these triggered the infection because I wasn't digesting my food properly.
I'm am wondering if you have some kind of inflammatory bowel disease? This might explain a lot and should be investigated. DG x
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