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GypsyRoseLee

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Re: Homeopathic medications
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2018, 08:36:58 PM »

Very true CLKD. I think the 'healing' benefit of homeopathy actually comes from having a sympathetic person properly listen to you for an hour or so. It's psychological rather than physiology - but of course, we all know how strongly the psyche can control the body.

If homeopathic tablets could only be bought over the counter, with no cosy consultation involved, I think the whole concept would have been binned decades ago.
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Shadyglade

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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2018, 08:46:28 PM »

Err, but you can by them over the counter. In fact Boots used to sell a whole range. Can still buy them in my local chemist.
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GypsyRoseLee

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« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2018, 08:55:37 PM »

Yes, I know. Bought by people who have already had a cosy consultation in the past, and associate homeopathic tablets with 'feeling better's. Or bought by people who have never had a cosy consultation, but have heard anecdotes about homeopathic 'magic' and so are already predisposed to thinking it will work.

Typically people who 'buy in' to homeopathic medicine are disenfranchised with conventional medicine. They 'want' to believe that something else is better and will work for them. Ergo it very often does. The power of belief is phenomenal - look at religion.
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Shadyglade

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« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2018, 09:15:32 PM »

Well I am one of the disinfranchised then. No religious motives for me. I am a atheist, in more ways than one.

Actually, in my old age I am becoming a bit of an anarchist.  ;)
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dangermouse

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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2018, 10:10:14 AM »

I'm an atheist too and a Rational Emotive Behavioural Therapist who teaches people that rational is always true and exaggeration is always a lie. I also (as an interesting aside!) work in another job at a college in an ‘apparently' haunted house! It's an old 15c Manor House that has had ghost hunters in (I found a file with all the reports?!) and many rational no-nonsense type colleagues have seen things that terrified them. However, apart from hearing someone stomping about late at night whilst all the lights were out, I've not seen anything and often stay on my own after dark, so I'm really quite rational.

I'm also very pro placebo (as a hypnotherapist!) and even over 50% of drug effects from paracetamol etc  are placebo. Dr David Hamilton, a previous pharmaceutical scientist's research is fascinating.

No I have not seen the BBC4 prog yet but have some good books on QP. I agree there's no chemical reaction, it's something else...

Many years ago, I had chronic sinusitis and was given antibiotics about 5 times within a year. Nothing would shift it and I googled natural options and something popped up about homeopathic pulsatilla. I then happened across it in Boots and bought it, not thinking in the slightest that it would work. I didn't even know what homeopathy was and thought it would be like a herb and they hadn't helped me. I took it for a couple of days (just in the usual break between ABs that I'd got used to having) and became very unwell and called the emergency doc. They wouldn't come out and so I just pushed through (not thinking it was anything to do with the cheap thing I'd bought from Boots!). Then after a few days the sinusitis vanished and never came back apart from a short episode about 10 years later which I took pulsatilla for again.

I suspect it boosted my immune system in the right direction to finally attack all the dormant staph bacteria, hence the awful rear up of symptoms. I also never take decongestants and temp reducers I'd get a cold as I know now not to fight the immune system but to let it swell you up and heat you up to stop viruses going deeper and causing bacterial infections. Funnily enough, when I did finally go to the homeopath last year she said my constitutional remedy was pulsatilla, however, she was very wrong as I found out through lots of research that it was actually Sulphur. However, some remedies can work on symptoms like the first aid.

Arnica is also amazing and I gave the 30c to my mum when she had a recent knee op and she stopped it when they ran out and then asked me for more as the bruising and swelling had all come back. It's also a great immune booster in general and always brings out a cold in me if I've been suppressing it - so timing can be everything.

Interesting chat and let's hope science starts to become more 3 dimensional so more things like this can be tested.
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Shadyglade

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« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2018, 10:30:45 AM »

Regarding your views on exaggeration I think your will find `Factfulness'  on BBC radio 4 iplayer, interesting. Its from a book by the amazing Professor Hans Rosling. He discusses how we are so often miss led by what we believe are facts but are misconceptions. It is appsolutly fascinating. Check out iplayer or Google him, if you are interested.
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CLKD

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« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2018, 03:15:57 PM »

Can we have an anarchist thread, I'll be in at probably, no 5  ::)

As a meander: I walked out of Mass at the age of 5 ....... apparently.  Told Mum that 'this isn't for me' can you imagine  ;D, best dress, pretty shoes - she went to the Communion Rail and the Host went by me.  I tapped the Vicar on the arm to tell him that I had been missed, 'you have to be Confirmed first Little Girl'.  Never looked back  :D

It is so long ago I can't remember what this particular GP was listing himself as. He was lovely.  Didn't seem to be keen to take monies from me but I never got the connection between mint and ...........  I'm the Worlds' First Cynic  ::).  Also, some people find stuff helps whereas the same product can make others feel grim. 

I've seen ghosts, I think we had a thread here years ago  ::).

I have had allergic rhinitis since 1976 and think that many Germs are stopped on their way in.  Hence when I do get a cold it makes me cross ........   Jan de Fries always talked a lot of sense on The Jimmy Young Show but of course, you are all far too young to remember that  :whist:
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« Reply #22 on: April 04, 2018, 04:26:11 PM »

Each to their own, but I don't believe that homeopathy can possibly have any effect other than a placebo-like effect. That's not the same as saying no effect, because the placebo effect can be quite significant in some conditions.
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CLKD

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« Reply #23 on: April 04, 2018, 04:31:08 PM »

When I was growing up we had a 'witch' in our village, Mum would rush me by the very dark bungalow surrounded by shrubs.  When I fell heavily she rushed me there but I have not idea what the 'witch' did, she was probably a herbalist.  In some countries people are more in tune with their environment, they have to be in order to survive.  So they know which plants are useful, those which are deadly and others that they can use to ease certain symptoms.  Sadly, much of that knowledge has been lost by the 1st World ........ as a meander, anyone notice that nettles and dock leaves always grow in the same area?  Rubbing the sap of dock onto nettle stings works for me.  I wouldn't know what else to pick though and I've grown up in the country.

Luckily we have choice, not like those in Syria  :'(
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Wilks

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« Reply #24 on: April 04, 2018, 04:48:30 PM »

CLKD- I agree that there are a lot of useful plant-based and “herbal” medicines, but something that's been shaken in a leather bag and diluted virtually out of existence has no medical or scientific credibility beyond placebo effect.
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dangermouse

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« Reply #25 on: April 04, 2018, 05:19:08 PM »

Regarding your views on exaggeration I think your will find `Factfulness'  on BBC radio 4 iplayer, interesting. Its from a book by the amazing Professor Hans Rosling. He discusses how we are so often miss led by what we believe are facts but are misconceptions. It is appsolutly fascinating. Check out iplayer or Google him, if you are interested.

Will check him out thanks!
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bramble

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« Reply #26 on: April 04, 2018, 05:39:37 PM »

Typically people who 'buy in' to homeopathic medicine are disenfranchised with conventional medicine.

I am certainly not disenfranchised with conventional medicine.  And I certainly have never had 'a cosy consultation'. I think that is very patronising.

The Royal Family have had homeopathic doctors for decades. A great many people believe in homeopathy. Even the Royal physician has called for homeopathy to be prescribed alongside traditional medicines.

What has happened to the 'live and let live' aspect of this forum in recent times? Not all of us think and believe the same but there is no need to attack and decry another person's beliefs just because they are different from your own.

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Daisydot

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« Reply #27 on: April 04, 2018, 06:09:47 PM »

When my son was two years old he had one painful ear infection after another and one antibiotic after another till eventually they decided they were going to put grommets in so I obviously didn't want him to have surgery and asked if we could try homeopathy instead of rushing into surgery,they agreed thankfully and he was tried on belladonna,under his tongue x amount of times a day,the next time his ears flared up.it obviously worked because he never had anymore antibiotics or ear infections and surgery was no longer necessary.I don't know all the whys and wherefores all I know is I was glad and relieved at the time,he's now a strapping big 35 year old man who can hear a tenner rustling at a thousand paces lol.I am very open minded about life in general and would never ridicule anyone's beliefs,I also wonder how can it possibly have a placebo effect on animals, many animals are apparently treated using homeopathy so how can that be explained.I do understand that people have their doubts and they're entitled to that but I would prefer to stay open minded,there's too much even science can't explain.
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« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2018, 08:46:05 PM »

I'm sorry if I expressed my opinion too strongly but I have a right to say that in my opinion (as a scientist) there is no scientific basis to homeopathy, just as others have the right to say they think there is. Don't underestimate the power of the mind and the placebo effect. I had a brilliant counsellor who helped me with migraine because we looked at the psychological aspects of the condition rather than drugs.
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CLKD

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Re: Homeopathic medications
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2018, 06:44:17 AM »

If it works? 
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