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[Claireylou]

Tempest would you be able to recommend a good magnesium supplement please?

I've struggled with so much stress and anxiety plus I've just entered surgical menopause and I've been looking at various supplements because my appetite isn't great xxx

[weathergirl]

Such a wealth of info about magnesium - wow!  Lots of food for thought.  I assumed I was getting enough but maybe not! 

[Hurdity]

Thank you, ladies!

You might also like this research regarding how magnesium supplementation boosts free and total testosterone:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20352370

I know a dear lady who is undergoing chemo. for stage 4 ovarian cancer at the moment and was severely magnesium deficient (chemo.is notorious for this anyway). Despite being terminal at age 30, she has found it has greatly boosted her energy levels and muscle strength and has just completed a 15km run (she's not on any HRT as she is estrogen positive). She really is a remarkable lassie! She's 17 months post surgery now, 7 organs removed.  xxxxx

Interesting study Tempest! However the abstract at least did not state whether the study participants were deficient or not in Magnesium at the start of the study - as this would be relevant to the findings. Also they were men so I wonder how far the results could be generalised to women 

Tempest maybe you are taking some of the drugs that do cause increased magnesium metabolism/excretion or affect gut absorption, which could have led to deficiency?

Claireylou if your diet is lacking due to poor appetite you could be deficient in lots of things so maybe should take a generalised vitamin and mineral supplement if you are not eating much?

Elisabethrose - some members on here already have Biology degrees and even D Phils...!

The use of Magnesium for medicinal purposes - migraine, joint pain, indigestion etc is a different matter (than the general need for supplementation due to dietary deficiency or if taking oestrogen for example) - but interesting!

I did read a paper today about Magnesium which said that the absorption rate varies according to the magnesium concentration in the blood serum - so that at high (body) levels less is absorbed (from diet and other sources), and when intake is low, more is absorbed.  This would make evolutionary sense! Also that 60 % of magnesium is stored in bone, and blood tests do not necessarily correlate with total magnesium on the body - but are the best we have along with symptoms - as an indication of magnesium status in the body.

If you are otherwise healthy and not taking a lot of different drugs, then I would still want to ensure my diet was full of magnesium rich foods to prevent deficiency - very easy to do - whole grains, nuts, beans and green leafy veg - easy to eat lots of these!

Anyway all interesting stuff - Tempest!

Hurdity x

[Elizabethrose]

Hurdity re your comment 'Elisabethrose - some members on here already have Biology degrees and even D Phils...!'

Yes I'm perfectly aware of some members qualifications, it's surprising what we all know about each other, however, what is the relevance  of that here in this discussion?

[Hurdity]

You mentioned that we'd "all be sitting our BSc Biology shortly" - and I know of members who would not need to! My reply is as relevant as your comment! No big deal! Most members do not reveal their qualifications - but you do get to know some members by pm.

Hurdity

[Annie0710]

I take magnesium supplements on and off and when I'm off the toe/foot/finger spasms are ridiculously annoying and painful, and I won't even start about the great effect the supplements have with my poo habits !!!

Sparkle your PPIs are renowned for depleting B12, be aware x

[Elizabethrose]

Hurdity, I was joking about the fact that we are all self-educating. I was wondering at the relevance of you telling everyone your qualifications, in a round about way. As you've stated on here many times, most recently to Freckles, our backgrounds and education are irrelevant on this forum. We are all equal.

Yes I know many members by PM, but also many members outside of the forum. We are all of us much more recognisable than you clearly realise.

[Tempest]

Hi, Claireylou!

I take 'Your Supplements' Magnesium Glycinate which you can buy via Amazon (my specialist recommended, though). They are high absorption, low fillers so very gentle on the system. xxxxx

Step up your magnesium, Annie! It has circulatory benefits too. xxxxx

Hurdity, I'm on no other medications at all these days. All I have taken until approximately 3 months ago were antihistamines, but curiously no longer need them as I no longer have rhinitis/urticaria since I had my oopherectomy. Dr. Vliet confirms in her studies that magnesium does have benefit in increasing available testosterone in women - I was going to link to her research as well but didn't want the thread to become too 'academically heavy, and I trust the lovely ladies here can do their own research if they want/need to find out more.

As I stated before, dietary sources of magnesium at sufficient levels to support us as we age can be difficult to achieve (and periods of stress such as menopause further depletes magnesium). Foods today are just not as magnesium rich as they were when we used to grow our own or bought them from local farms. Soil has become depleted by over farming and modern agricultural farming methods and use of pesticides etc. to ensure 'high yield' crops. We're just not getting the nutrients from our foods today that our grandparents and parents were previously, sadly. xxxxx

[Claireylou]

Thanks so much Tempest, hubby has just ordered me some xxx 

[Mary G]

Thanks Tempest, that is very interesting.  I was advised to take magnesium and B12 supplements by Professor Anne MacGregor for migraines.  She suggested a high dose of both and there is no way I could get enough of either just by changing my diet.  I have noticed a real difference particularly with the magnesium, my digestive system has improved no end. 

[Tempest]

That's wonderful news, Mary G! Yes, it was my Prof. of Edincronology who diagnosed my deficiency. Magnesium really is a marvellous, recognised and approved treatment to aid migraines. xxxxx

[Mary G]

Tempest, it's definitely worth a go and I hope it works for you too!

[Tempest]

I was going to post a link to the Wiki page or some such on magnesium deficiency symptoms for anyone interested, but I figure you can do this for yourselves if you like.

But I DID find this interesting DM article which I thought you might like:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2755576/Is-magnesium-deficiency-making-ILL-From-nausea-exhaustion-osteoporosis-surprising-cause.html

The specialist states that magnesium deficiency can be difficult to diagnose, and what else is interesting is that I have seen SO MANY ladies here at MM complaining of the very symptoms mentioned in this article (me included).

I hope some of you find this interesting - magnesium may very well be a missing element that can help you feel more balanced at this difficult time whether you take HRT or not and after all, that's all we're hoping for. xxxxx

Oh, and P.S. - there are academic studies out there (which I won't bore you with) that state that magnesium can reduce hot flushes too by up to 50%. It's all to do with ACTH which is a stress hormone that's released during hot flushes. Worth knowing.....

[Julation]

My ENT said more than 500 mg a day.  So the high dose needed is in fact right.  Its between 500 mg and 1 g per day to make it work.  Because it gives me bad GI side effects, I started very low (100 mg) and increased slowly.

[Cassie]

I struggle to take supplements, can barely remember my thryoid tablets, would bathing in Epsom Salts boost the magnesium levels in ones body or does it have to be in supplement form. I will try eating more pumpkin seeds & nuts.

Its lovely to know that there are so many knowledgeable ladies on this forum, I find it most comforting and nice to know that there are those with many years studying and reseach behind their name always willing to help no matter how trivial the query may be.