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[br350]

shortie, natural progesterone does that to me too.  Progesterone slows digestion considerably.  By the time I'm at the end of my 10-day/month use of it, my digestion is all messed up.  It's awful - at least to me. 

[Katia]

I've done two days back on the utrogestan now and then skipped the third day.  Two days on and one off still seems to have the same side effects.  I think it would have to be one off and one on and then I still don't love it.  I'm fairly new with HRT so I wonder if it will settle.  Although it seems to get worse not better the more the utrogestan builds up. The bloating hasn't been quite so bad this time, but I'm so tired with it.  The consultant said I could try a different progesterone or consider going back to Femodene pill for a couple of years.    I'm giving it the week.  My hair and skin are better when I am taking the utrogestan daily, so progesterone does have a role in that.  I just don't feel like I'm balanced at the minute.

[Peacegirl]

I've done two days back on the utrogestan now and then skipped the third day.  Two days on and one off still seems to have the same side effects.  I think it would have to be one off and one on and then I still don't love it.  I'm fairly new with HRT so I wonder if it will settle.  Although it seems to get worse not better the more the utrogestan builds up. The bloating hasn't been quite so bad this time, but I'm so tired with it.  The consultant said I could try a different progesterone or consider going back to Femodene pill for a couple of years.    I'm giving it the week.  My hair and skin are better when I am taking the utrogestan daily, so progesterone does have a role in that.  I just don't feel like I'm balanced at the minute.

It's so tough isn't it? I feel absolutely rotten for 3 weeks now, much like I did when I first started progesterone. Am continuing with alternate days utrogestan (100mg) as haven't managed to get provera yet. I'm also hoping this is just a very long-lasting cold/lurgy thing but it could be progesterone build up. I'm going to try Provera and estrogel combo and if that doesn't work out will ask (GP not specialist) if I can try Femoston with estrogel.
I really, really hope you get some relief soon

[Katia]

I find every other day almost worse with the constant change in hormones. My body prefers steady. I also found my hair went bad that way. Im finding the fluid has settled. The digestive changes are still there. I'm not wanting to sleep 24/7 but now I'm up typing this at 3am. My mood is also lower and much flatter. This is my main concern with it now. I saw a thread which had a link with a cycle that mimics our natural one, where the estrogen increases and decreases too but I can't for e life of me find it now.

[Peacegirl]

I find every other day almost worse with the constant change in hormones. My body prefers steady. I also found my hair went bad that way. Im finding the fluid has settled. The digestive changes are still there. I'm not wanting to sleep 24/7 but now I'm up typing this at 3am. My mood is also lower and much flatter. This is my main concern with it now. I saw a thread which had a link with a cycle that mimics our natural one, where the estrogen increases and decreases too but I can't for e life of me find it now.

Im day two of 5mg of provera (and two pumps of estrogel) daily - well day three as I'm up to my old tricks of alternating as I see some are on a lower dose than me anyway and I feel like there's still lots of utrogestan in my system. If all is well I will up it to daily. So far, so good. The trouble is, I've been feelin 'virusy' ill for over 3 weeks but today I managed to cycle a mile and a half to the allotment and do two hours there and cycle home so I am feeling better. Whether this illness was utrogestan side effects or not will be evident soon I reckon. Fingers x'd the hair loss stops now!  I think my depression was utrogestan related though as I'd be feeling flat at times when I never normally would. I'll let you know how the provera works out in case it might be an option for you. I did find the utrogestan was for me the worst of all progesterones for digestive problems.

[Katia]

Peacegirl, I am feeling flat too and like I'm not bothered about anything.  It's the Utrogestan. I have an appointment in a couple of weeks. So I'll see how you get on. I do like Utrogestan for the libido though.  It's better than it was on the pill.  I find taking the Utrogestan every other day even worse as my body prefers consistent.  The reviews for provera as the depra provera injection aren't great.  Peacegirl did you not find your hair better when taking the Utrogestan than just the gel?  I did, but I'm still losing more than on femodene.

Shortie, yes!!!!  That's the one. It seemed like an interesting concept.

[Katia]

The Wiley protocol uses progesterone cream. I hate to admit I've wondered about taking the Utrogestan orally one day and putting It into a cream the alternate day. That way I'd still be getting some, but it may have less side effects. Has anyone tried it?

[Peacegirl]

Katia- I've tried it. If you search online there's actually a prog site that recommends mixing it with vit e oil which I did. It's definitely absorbed, but I ended up in the same place after 4/5 days - foggy, depressed, constipated, bloated, full of water, snappy- basically unable to function.

I'm currently using 2 pumps of gel and 1/5 Femoston which I take at night as it makes me sleepy. I'm going to use it sequi and see how it goes. I've got a scan due in August so I'll see if it's working. So far, so good. The dydrogesterone is the best prog I've ever used and if this works, I'll ask the doc for 1/10 and use it sequi.

I'd really love to use Utro but have tried and failed so many times. The dydrogesterone doesn't cause WR, bloating or depression with me. It'd be great if it was available separately.

Sx

Hi Shortie I found the femoston 1/5 best but wasn't enough oestrogen.  Has your GP agreed to you topping up with estrogel or is this your own 'experiment' Sorry if you've already posted all this -it' hard to keep track of everyone with a foggy head!  Really good to hear that's working out for you. I don't know if I'd 'get away with this' as my 'specialist' will likely say my scans are pointless.  Basically I'm trying to ditch my specialist, particularly as she's just written a really negative letter where she says we're running out of options and tells me off yet again for using utrogestan alternate days. (Part of the reason for this was it was 4 months till me next appointment and they have no phone would you believe  )

[Peacegirl]

Peacegirl, I am feeling flat too and like I'm not bothered about anything.  It's the Utrogestan. I have an appointment in a couple of weeks. So I'll see how you get on. I do like Utrogestan for the libido though.  It's better than it was on the pill.  I find taking the Utrogestan every other day even worse as my body prefers consistent.  The reviews for provera as the depra provera injection aren't great.  Peacegirl did you not find your hair better when taking the Utrogestan than just the gel?  I did, but I'm still losing more than on femodene.

Shortie, yes!!!!  That's the one. It seemed like an interesting concept.

Hi Katia, well I'm glad your hair's better - even if the rest is rubbish .  I'm afraid my hair loss is quite extreme and is building just like it did with the norethisterone in evorel conti, so I'm not noticing any difference from on off days. I've stopped now and am desperate for my hair to stop falling out!  I understand that hair loss is rare with utrogestan so I'm wondering if my body just finds the high does a bit toxic and hair loss is a reaction to that. I was fairly recently tested for just about everything so reasonably sure the hair loss isn't due to anything else.

[Peacegirl]

Hi Peacegirl - it's my 'experiment' as I know it wouldn't be sanctioned and I'm getting a scan early August. I must say, this is day 7, I did 4 days 2/10 using tabs only but became aggressive and very tired and flat with very foggy head. I then changed to 1/2 pumps gel morning  and 1/5 tabs at night. When the prog reduced I started a bleed but am continuing with 10 days prog if I can. I'm struggling today, bad, hot sleep past 2 nights and sore back now. Mood is ok but not brilliant. Very little bloating or WR though. I really can't stand prog after 4 days but I need a good bleed so I'm doing what I have to. I may go back to Norethisterone for the next cycle but that makes me quite aggressive and blue too. Never thought I'd get to this point but I'm seriously considering hysto. Just don't want this crap at this stage of my life and I know from recent reduction in E that I still need SOME E floating around. Really fed-up today, ears screaming too!

Sx

Thanks for sharing and sorry you're having a hard day  -  I can totally relate. Hope your day picks up - I made the big mistake of driving alcohol last night so I feel double-rubbish - my own fault of course! x

[Mary G]

shortie, agreed, please see my post on your new thread!

[Optimist]

Hi shortie, sorry you're having such s rinbish time. I was equally aggressive on the tablet form of norethisterone but on the patches calm but felt alive (if you get that). Having some other problems with it bad back, constipation etc but worth a try if you haven't already? X

[Katia]

Shortie, sorry you're having such a horrid time. Would it help to take prog every three days?  It might stop it building as much and over the month you'd still get more than prof studd recds with 7 days.  I find I still get the same side effects using it vaginally. At the minute I'm doing 2 Utrogestan and a day off, but it's still a depressant.

Peacegirl, my hair is worse with just the estrogen (I think). For seems to come out of the hormones are not balanced or change. It was best on Femodene, the progestegen is gestodene, which is in the pipeline, I believe, for HRT.  I had no problems with it so I wish it would hurry up. 

[Hurdity]

The Wiley protocol uses progesterone cream. I hate to admit I've wondered about taking the Utrogestan orally one day and putting It into a cream the alternate day. That way I'd still be getting some, but it may have less side effects. Has anyone tried it?

Really this is not recommended. I don't know about the Wiley Protocol (re HRT) but any regime that is using any form of progesterone cream for endometrial protection is not endorsed either by the FDA in the US nor the NHS in UK, so not advisable to experiment in this way!

Hurdity x

[Katia]

Shortie,

Any way to squeeze half of it out and then take the rest the following day?

The Wiley protocol doesn't seem to give any ndicwtion of how much to take, just that it mirrors a natural cycle. I don't think it's cream