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[Elizabethrose]

Ooooh good luck tomorrow ladies. I have to go in a few weeks for treatment, wish he'd just knock me out. Asked him if he offered epidurals which he found rather amusing! (I really hate the dentist it makes me want to   ) xxxx

nearly50 I wish I knew what to recommend to you re your sleeping patterns, aside from a mallet! A 3 hour daily commute is horrendous, is there nothing you can do to change your circumstances? I don't know how you manage and I take my hat off to you. I used to have to rise at 5.30 in the morning, did it for many many years, and though I'm naturally an early riser, that was just too early, thoroughly unhealthy!

It's weird, I too have a dreadful sleep when I set the alarm or there's something happening i.e. going on holiday, builders arriving etc etc. I wake a million times. I wonder whether it's the pesky adrenalin surges waking you. Are you hot when you wake or a few minutes later? What time do you eat in the evening? x

[Machair]

Thank you ER. I love that image re your dental fears! That's me too ! Appointment is 40 mins at 11am. Then another 2 weeks later. Then freedom till the next time! I would rather have childbirth any day than this ordeal! Still anticipation is often worse than reality - will report back later!

[nearly50]

Good luck at the dentist everyone! Strangely I would rather go the dentist than the hairdressers which probably sounds very weird!

ER, thanks for trying to work out my sleeping patterns, I think it is just a series of issues really. Nightsweats, concern abuot heavy bleeds, neighbours' smell of weed and noise, adrenalin rushes, nightmares - it is all going at the moment! Slept better last night though. Even had a 3 hour stretch at one point

I really don't think there is any rhyme or reason to it all. I eat at 5.30 and don't eat anything after about 7pm. I did wonder if taking my ferrous fumarate at night is making a difference, something to keep an eye on as I don't always take it.

My commute's not as bad as it sounds as an hour a day of it is made up of walking. I take 4 buses a day and have 4 walks of 15 minutes. It is probably nearer 2hours 45 minutes a day. Not sure if I can do it in my 60s though.....

Hope you are all well, Machair in a couple of hours it will all be over for this week

[nearly50]

How did you sleep last night sparkle? I was hoping this would be something which would improve by the time I got to your stage. I used to be able to sleep anywhere, anytime so this is taking re-adjustment!

[Elizabethrose]

Sending you both  hope all went well xx

[Machair]

Thank you so much ER. Well I survived! Thought worse than the event - just the second appointment to go in two weeks for the inlay. How did you get on Sparkle?- hope all is ok x

[Machair]

Hubby also had a gum cyst removed a few years ago. It is all very tiring isn't it- I feel very shattered after today. Yes the next appointment should be less stressful - he has sent off the spec for the inlay so the fitting is only 20 minutes.
So glad yours is over now.x

[Elizabethrose]

Oh Sparkle, that's a lot, poor you!! Feet up, hopefully they're all pampering you.Here's hoping that the anaesthetic gives you a good nights sleep and you feel much better tomorrow. xx

Machair it's such a relief when you've been isn't it! That sort of nervousness is exhausting, I know that feeling!! Well done you, just one more to go. XX

[Elizabethrose]

Good, enjoy! I always need a lot of anaesthetic for it to work (apparently it's a red-headed thing!??) but it stays in my system and knocks me out. Totally weird but always good over-night!! Tell your hubby it's the sofa for him tonight - the surgeon suggested it!! Tee-hee, sleep would be guaranteed! 

Yep I'm really good today thanks, had lovely day with my mother. Pooped now though and an early start tomorrow so it'll be an early night for me I think.

Night night lovely ladies xx

[Machair]

That is so interesting as I need enough anaesthetic for a horse and I am only small and not a red head either!

A tmi question ladies about mucus. Yesterday I had so much clear mucus just like ovulation, you could stretch it to 5cm at least - like an aeroplane trail. ER is this what you experienced in your last few cycles? There was so much it made a wet patch on the liner. Any idea of the cause high FSH/high oestrogen?

Hope you are ok today Sparkle. You have been very brave.x

[Elizabethrose]

The red headed thing has been proven - it's a gene thing apparently. It's happened to me every time I've ever needed an anaesthetic, be it local or general, totally weird, especially when the docs seem not to know about it. I once had to explain it to a surgeon who was unable to sufficiently numb my foot for foot surgery. He looked totally bemused as if I didn't know what I was talking about, he ended up having to give me a double whammy dose but I was pushed to the back of the queue whilst we waited for it all to kick in! Anaesthetists on the other hand know!

Machair that is what I have always had with the oestrogen surges, copious amounts. For the past couple of years though there was absolutely no mucus at all when the oestrogen fell. The symptoms of the highs were not as dramatic for the last two cycles, even the mucus was much reduced. It was there but nothing like it had been previously. It was as if my body was saying, 'enough already!!!'

Nowadays it is absolutely not a sign that you are definitely ovulating, it's a sign that the oestrogen has surged. The FSH levels will stimulate more follicles in the hope to find something viable. 

Ride it out girl!! xx

[nearly50]

That's so interesting, I must ask my sister about the red hair gene thing. She has such a high tolerance for pain she probably doesn't bother asking for more though.

Had a 4.5 hour sleep without a break last night, really have to find out more about what happens at the end of these 90 minute cycles. Half an hour ago I almost fainted, had to clear my library of kids and lie in my wee room hyperventilating until it passed. Have had similar experiences on day 8 of my cycle before. Oh well, onwards and upwards. Hope everyone's recovered from the dentist, sounds awful sparkle.

[Elizabethrose]

I've been sent papers by pals re this subject ( just looked but can't find the wretched things). It would seem that redheads are more sensitive to some types of pain but less so for other types. The dentist causes real problems it would seem. Equally some anaesthetics work better for redheads whilst some much less efficiently. I can't remember the stats but it was about 20% more anaesthetic was needed to provide sufficient cover for surgery. I had two Morton's neuroma surgeries and the anaesthetic didn't work with either. With the second one the surgeon decided on using some sort of nerve block in the back of my knee, which did diddly-squat! He was very confused!!

4.5 hours, bet you were delighted! My sleep has improved so much since using the Vagifem, the surges and flushes have really diminished. I still wake just before a flush but can fall back to sleep, mostly! Of course I know I'm not normal!  x

Sparkle I hope your mouth is not too sore today. Take it easy!! x

[Maryjane]

My oestrogen levels are high 😳 where 2,500 one month next month 1,000 FSH 6.4 , ovaries full of follicles , and a dried up shrivelled up NO moisture vagina , in my prime I had copious amounts of the stuff , then at 45 the tap literally turned off over night.

My anxiety does not like HRT , but antitoxin do with mucosa vag/ bladder / vulva/ eyes / nose / mouth / ears and skin which I was scratching raw in my sleep needs it big time.

I am very slim always have been and I believe slim ladies don't do menopause so well.

[Elizabethrose]

Maryjane, I don't know what to say to you, it's so unfair. Now what we need is more time and energy being spent on why this has happened to you, what is the science behind it. If they can understand why, then they are on the way to finding a solution. If it's happened to you, it's happened to a lot of other women. I wonder whether research would be done if men were walking around with painful, bleeding penises. I doubt they would be forced to put up and shut up in the same way so many women are. You've got to wonder!

We just all of us react to hormones in different ways. There really is no perfect recipe that fits us all. It does worry me sometimes when I hear or read comments that a particular treatment will definitely work for someone and has to be tried. There are no guarantees. One of my specialists said to me that one of the biggest favours we can do for ourselves is to learn how to read our bodies. It's helped me feel more in control, it hasn't stopped the migraine etc, but helped me feel more in control and that helps.

Despite being sceptical about many treatments I have been sufficiently open minded to give things a go. I've tried so much. We can never know whether something will work until we've tried. One man's meat is another man's poison. HRT was totally toxic for me, my body reacted violently to it and I swore that I would never ever try it again but I did and whilst my ridiculously hormone sensitive body is reacting to the Vagifem, the benefits far outweigh the one negative.

I wonder whether your theory of slimness has ever been investigated. My mother was a size 6 up until her early 60s  and never even had a period pain but she was brilliant and fought for me to have proper attention and medication when required. I am truly blessed though that through all of this hormonal upheaval I have never ever been affected mentally. For so many women that is their greatest struggle with these hormones.

I really hope you find a solution to all of this but as I said elsewhere, you deserve a bloody medal for all you do! xx