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[nearly50]

How's everyone doing? My feeling of an imminent bleed has died down, but maybe it will surprise me at some point after all.

Sorry to be so dim about all this, but if my oestrodiol was 910 last week and I don't have a bleed, does that mean my oestrogen increased in a vain attempt to ovulate? Could it be those surges you've all experienced?

Hope you all have a lovely weekend

[Elizabethrose]

Yep, I don't have the figures to hand but mine was off the Richter scale for months at a time. Sometimes it rolled through anovulatory bleeds maintaining it's high level, sometimes it would plunge before immediately rising again after failed ovulation. Sometimes it would plummet then I'd get an anovulatory bleed. Nightmare because by that stage every which way would trigger a mig!! The side effects of massively high oestrogen are very similar to low oestrogen in PMT. I would feel like a weeble wobbling around I was so bloated and the breasts, well the less said about them the better. 

[nearly50]

Thanks ER and sorry you have to keep explaining this to me, don't know why I have a mental block about it. I just find it so strange that people automatically think HRT will help everyone. I had pretty bad nightsweats, burning neck and hot flushes when I had the test done so was expecting levels to be rock bottom.

Got a tattoo today which I love and I think I'm going to crack open the rum this evening to celebrate - to hell with cholesterol counts

[Elizabethrose]

Haha, you go girl! 

Actually I've never had the flushes or night sweats when oestrogen is high, they usually appear when it's dropped. However, it could have been much higher the day before and a drop is all it needs to trigger the flushes. Trouble is nearly50, these bloods tests would vary every time you had them done. When I've described mine being like a roller coaster I've really not been joking.

Enjoy your rum tonight and I hope that tattoo doesn't throb too much!! x

[Machair]

nearly50 I have never had my oestrogen levels tested, but I know that high levels confirmed by copious stretchy mucus and breast swelling and tenderness, not to mention bloating, feels just like PMT and is also bad mood inducing.I have had this many times in peri and it doesn't always lead to a period sometimes it subsides overnight. Not everyone gets this, but it has been my experience, and I don't think HRT oestrogen only would be safe in my case before the end, as periodically I make far too much.

[Machair]

Just in case anyone else is considering vitamin D my latest test results show insufficiency at 42 - hubbie is 31- almost in the range of deficiency. We have been testing for a few years now and the results are interesting. We have got quite lax about supplements for the last year, and so our levels have dropped considerably. Also we didn't do our usual Greek trip in the Autumn last year. Hubbie works in an office, and although I work from home I get out a lot more than he does as my hours are flexible and I walk the dog a lot. Although we are out in nature a lot at the weekends Geocaching, it hasn't helped as I understand British winters between October and March are no good for the right levels of sunlight to make vitamin D. We have reintroduced supplements and will retest in a year.

I am sure some of it is due to my concern over Melanoma, as both my parents have had skin cancers though not Melanoma. However I still slap on factor 50 as soon as the sun comes out so this is probably not helping!

[Elizabethrose]

I think I'll get mine tested when next due some tests Machair. I know it's been done when docs were desperately trying to sort migs, loads was tested, but have no idea what the results were.

I do take Vit D as part of a bone and joint supplement as not only have I been trapped inside a lot over the years but I'm really fair (like a jelly fish) and can burn with factor 60. I also suffer from Polymorphic light eruption if anything is exposed without protection, which is a massive pain in the backside! I hate the sun, it causes me massive inconvenience. Just having to find lightweight clothes that afford me the protection I need is a task and a half.

Of course summer is on it's way and everyone is rejoicing but I'll be the one cowering in the shade. Summer entertaining is always scarred by everyone insisting we sit outside to eat, in the sun! I have a large selection of big hats, long linens and more sun specs than Jackie Onassis!!

Obviously I can ensure I'm protected sufficiently now but the amount of damage done to my skin as a child is terrifying. We were positively feral, spent our whole summers in Cornwall with the only sun protection available then, Ambre Solaire factor 2: I could have just rubbed cooking oil on my skin!! I remember my father returning from a trip to Switzerland with a high factor cream of 10 which everyone hoped would solve my problem. It didn't!!

[nearly50]

I've probably already said this but mine was only 20 in November 2015 and I'd had 3 holidays in Spain that year! Think it must take about 10 supplements for it to go up one point so it has been a long haul to get to 68. It is very rarely warm enough for me to walk about with my arms uncovered in Scotland, and I would hardly ever venture out with my legs uncovered.

I have a burning face and neck now so I take it my oestrogen levels are going down. I either have stomach pain or burning neck, never both at the same time. I've also lost 3 lbs in a week, which I assume was pretty much all water. Still wonder if I feel better when I don't eat sugar, or if I just find it easier not to eat sugar when I feel better, if that makes sense.

Goodness ER, you have to cope with a lot of things. Maybe you should move to Scotland where it is a day of celebration if we get over 17 degrees.

[Elizabethrose]

I've always been very tempted by life in a little Scottish fishing village. Hubby loves summer, hate short dark days and would fight me at every turn!! I on the other hand love winter, love the clothes, the food, the walks without having to slap on sun cream, dark mornings, snuggly evenings, I even enjoy the rain: I know, I'm a freak!! 

It seems to me that your oestrogen high turned as you had your bloods done and has fallen. It would account for the heat but also for the body getting rid of the excess water from the bloating. If you had those bloods done now you'd probably get an entirely different reading. x

[nearly50]

How's everyone doing now? I'm not feeling like a bleed is imminent anymore (though nothing would surprise me) and that's me on day 70 now. Hoping for a quiet time with hot flushes which I can cope with.

[Machair]

I'm on cycle day 66! Not much to report really - some mucus here and there but no period since January. Could this be it? I had PMT feelings in February but they came to nothing!I am 57 this month- keep wondering if I will have a period when I am 57. Were you 57 when you had your last one ER? How are you all doing- Sparkle are you ok?

[nearly50]

Here's hoping Machair,  that would be a great start to 2018 if you were officially through it.

[Elizabethrose]

Hi Machair, yep I'll be 58 at the year point. 188 days for me today.

There has been absolutely no obvious oestrogen change for me, I really think it's flatlining now. The Vagifem is the only oestrogen action I'm getting! The flushes are very different since on Vagifem, I tried to reduce the frequency last week and was clobbered by the adrenaline surges and night flushes. Haha went back to every other night!!

Blimey, I know we've said this before and that it really isn't over till the fat lady sings BUT we do seem to be doing rather well. Hah, just jinxed it!!!! x

[Machair]

I have been getting adrenaline surges in the day recently especially in the morning. Do you get these ER?

[Elizabethrose]

The adrenaline surges at night started about 15-16 years ago, some times with flushes sometimes not.

When the flushes started last year, about this time, during the day I would suddenly be aware that a flush was coming a few minutes before it hit which was obviously the adrenaline rush. The problem with them at night is that they always wake me a few minutes before a flush sweeps in but at night they cause extreme wakefulness as if it was midday. They are so frustrating because it is nigh on impossible to go back to sleep.

I really rejoice that unlike some other poor women, they do not cause me any anxiety or any sort of anguish. My mind just races, wide awake, making lists, putting the world to rights, organising my life. It's really difficult to calm my brain down. The before bed time snack helped but it just gives me heartburn eating so late like that, it seems unnatural especially as I am not hungry.

The Vagifem has calmed the flushes dramatically, they are much less frequent by day and less vicious and frequent by night, though I still get the odd one that sneaks in and knocks my socks off!

Sparkle I'm going to check the level of vit D in my tabs and let you know. Not at home at the moment! x