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[linz57]

He does seem to be everywhere at the moment. God knows how he kept up the level of enthusiasm throughout the night and day, I'd have been zzzzzzz after an hour ! Still, I suppose a hefty salary helps......

[linz57]

Ha yes, good one! I've often wondered why those who purport to be the most  tolerant and accepting of others are often the least tolerant of folk in reality. Democracy entails respecting and accepting the majority vote , yet with both Brexit and  the US elections we are seeing whingeing and whining on the streets  because the vote didn't go the way certain people wanted. As my American friend would say " suck it up sunshine!"

[Pennyfarthing]

Tired and just pondering something ..... how come TV stations are showing stats for how blacks/whites/hispanics voted (their labels) for either Clinton or Trump.  Aren't we all supposed to be equal and not refer to colour.

Because they thought women and minority groups would get Clinton over the line, considering the racist and sexist views Trump expressed. They also assumed they would be the "silent majority". There was a "silent majority", but they were all voting for Trump, which is why the polls and pundits got it so wrong. Few people wanted to admit they were going to vote for Trump for fear of being labeled sexist and racist. So they kept quiet until they were in the privacy of the voting booth.

Anyway, now that the shock has worn off a bit, I've decided to have a more optimistic view about it all because I just hate all the negativity. The Republicans have full control now, so on the upside that may mean that things can be achieved instead of there being so much infighting. There are also a lot of checks and balances in the system, so Trump will never be allowed to just run riot like a lot of people think he will. He will have to toe the party line just like everyone else.

It may also mean that a few other governments around the world will take a long hard look at themselves and realise that they have to start listening to what people actually want, instead of just covering their ears and going "la la la la la la".

And if all else fails ...... Kanye 2020..... 

A positive post and I think when things quieten down, a lot more people in America will share your views.

I'm still waiting for someone to answer my earlier question about what Obama did for America. 

[Pennyfarthing]

Ha yes, good one! I've often wondered why those who purport to be the most  tolerant and accepting of others are often the least tolerant of folk in reality. Democracy entails respecting and accepting the majority vote , yet with both Brexit and  the US elections we are seeing whingeing and whining on the streets  because the vote didn't go the way certain people wanted. As my American friend would say " suck it up sunshine!"

HA ha ... democrats against democracy. 

[Dana]

Oh how l wish! But she has never given any indication that she would be prepared to take on such a role. One of the reasons given is that she does not have a political background. Hasn't stopped Trump. However, if she was prepared to seek election, it would not be for herself; not self seeking or the lure of power and greed.

I would love to see Michelle as POTUS, but Barrack has already addressed the issue. I'll paraphrase, but he essentially said "There are three certainties in life. Death, taxes and Michelle Obama won't run for office".

It was always said she was a reluctant First Lady, and feels she can do more good away from politics. So I'm excited about what we'll see both of them doing in years to come.

[Dana]

Ha yes, good one! I've often wondered why those who purport to be the most  tolerant and accepting of others are often the least tolerant of folk in reality. Democracy entails respecting and accepting the majority vote , yet with both Brexit and  the US elections we are seeing whingeing and whining on the streets  because the vote didn't go the way certain people wanted. As my American friend would say " suck it up sunshine!"

HA ha ... democrats against democracy. 

Probably a lot of those people are professional protesters who would have been out protesting regardless of who won. They probably don't work and possibly didn't even vote.

I think the majority of "normal" people are just getting on with their lives because they do accept democracy.

[Dana]

I'm still waiting for someone to answer my earlier question about what Obama did for America. 

Probably no one here is expert enough on US politics to answer, but there are a number of sites on google that answer this very question.

[Elizabethrose]

Tired and just pondering something ..... how come TV stations are showing stats for how blacks/whites/hispanics voted (their labels) for either Clinton or Trump.  Aren't we all supposed to be equal and not refer to colour.

Because they thought women and minority groups would get Clinton over the line, considering the racist and sexist views Trump expressed. They also assumed they would be the "silent majority". There was a "silent majority", but they were all voting for Trump, which is why the polls and pundits got it so wrong. Few people wanted to admit they were going to vote for Trump for fear of being labeled sexist and racist. So they kept quiet until they were in the privacy of the voting booth.

Anyway, now that the shock has worn off a bit, I've decided to have a more optimistic view about it all because I just hate all the negativity. The Republicans have full control now, so on the upside that may mean that things can be achieved instead of there being so much infighting. There are also a lot of checks and balances in the system, so Trump will never be allowed to just run riot like a lot of people think he will. He will have to toe the party line just like everyone else.

It may also mean that a few other governments around the world will take a long hard look at themselves and realise that they have to start listening to what people actually want, instead of just covering their ears and going "la la la la la la".

And if all else fails ...... Kanye 2020..... 

A positive post and I think when things quieten down, a lot more people in America will share your views.

I'm still waiting for someone to answer my earlier question about what Obama did for America. 

Happy reading! 

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/obama-biggest-achievements-213487

https://soapboxie.com/us-politics/14-Facts-About-The-Obama-Presidency-That-Most-People-Dont-Know

https://www.thebalance.com/what-has-obama-done-11-major-accomplishments-3306158

http://washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/marchapril-2012/obamas-top-50-accomplishments/

http://theweek.com/articles/597635/extraordinarily-complicated-successes-president-obama

[Pennyfarthing]

I'm still waiting for someone to answer my earlier question about what Obama did for America. 

Probably no one here is expert enough on US politics to answer, but there are a number of sites on google that answer this very question.

That made me smile because it seems everybody in the world is an expert on Trump and Clinton but is unable to answer a very simple question on Obama.  If he's done anything wonderful then it should be at the forefront of people's minds and shouldn't need answering by "experts".

Afraid I haven't got time to read through all those links as I'm off to organise my mothers POA but thanks to ElizabethRose for posting.

[breeze]

Before voting started Trump said 'The election is rigged and the result should be challenged'

Shouldn't we hold him to this??

[CLKD]

I think that it is disgusting that the UK Press went with the US results and the coverage of the awful tram crash was, at least in the Telegraph yesterday, buried deeply in the paper ……… 

[linz57]

Yes, the awful tram crash should have been the lead news item! Also, how much of our licence fee have the BBC spent on sending so many correspondents over to the States?

[CLKD]

Apparently - as an aside - the BBC have decided not to send UK Correspondents to areas that are covered by Journalists  - yeah, right …….. that will begin when then?

[Ju Ju]

Both my son and his wife are devastated about what is going on around them and scared in the USA . It's not about who won the election. It's that disaffected, angry people feel they have been given permission to abuse whoever they resent or hate.

[Pennyfarthing]

Both my son and his wife are devastated about what is going on around them and scared in the USA . It's not about who won the election. It's that disaffected, angry people feel they have been given permission to abuse whoever they resent or hate.

It's disgusting Ju Ju and I understand their fear.  It is inevitable that people will at some times in their lives be disappointed about something. Whether it's a new housing development, schools closing down, buses being axed or their party or candidate not being elected.  In a democracy we should just accept the result and move on and see how things develop. Instead of doing this people get on social media and post offensive and hateful comments and photos about people.  Look, for example, at what Boris Johnson had to put up with ... being called a clown, a Buffoon, having stupid photos of him posted and people saying "OMG look who's going to be running this country" when there was no truth in it and then when he stood down people called him a coward.

I believe they called these aggressive, violent troublemakers  "professional aggressors" on the news tonight. Any excuse to stir things up and they're there!