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[Chi chi]

Yes I can contact her whenever but I'm sure she'll say it's not been long enough yet 

Thanks for the hug 😊

[Briony]

I do think she may say it's too soon to stop - but what she may also  be able to advise is whether the  Estrogel needs to be upped or reduced. She will be able to advise re your previous response to Levonorgestrel and how that compared with Desogestrel. Might give her a better idea about what your body wants/needs?

Really hope tomorrow's a better day for you xxx

[Chi chi]

Today my lower back and tops of legs ache so much, got a real fuzzy head and niggly headache it feels like I'm drugged  Moods still low too 

[Briony]

Today my lower back and tops of legs ache so much, got a real fuzzy head and niggly headache it feels like I'm drugged 

I know everyone is different, but this describes how I felt before hrt/bcp. Have you ever had your oestrogen measured? I know that normally doing that isnt helpful, but perhaps there is an absorption issue? If you were OK on the BCP in the past, the level in Q (much lower) shouldnt be too much? Maybe you need more? xxx

[Chi chi]

Yeah my last test was in October and was 474 before starting HRT in June 2014 it was 125, it went right up to 1001 by Sep 2014 since then it's hovered around the 300/400's
I actually increased to 2 pumps of Oestrogel yesterday thinking I might be too low

[Chi chi]

So again today my head feels really fuzzy and drugged, spaced out  I hate this feeling, also feel quite jittery and shakey too. Don't know if it's the progesterone building up in my system or Oestrogel too high or not enough or just our good old friend anxiety! 

[Briony]

What day are you on? For me, that was the issue. Each time the dose changed, I'd feel the effects a few days (up to a week) later. To counter this, I guess you'd need to add the gel just when the estrogen in the pack is lower?

[Chi chi]

Tonight will be 21
I tried to email Annie Evans today but she only answers on Thursdays and I had just missed the cut off. The earliest I could arrange a phone consultation is 4 December 

[Briony]

Interesting .... Day 19 used to be when the higher dose prog used to kick in with me. Noticed others mention the same in reviews. Wonder if it is the same with you? X

[Chi chi]

Yes! Well I've felt off for about 3 days now 

[Chi chi]

I think I'm gonna stop Qlaira tonight, my head has felt awful for a few days now  headache, fuzzy and just not quite with it  it must be the progesterone? I know it's only been 3 weeks but  I don't think I can put up with this for so many days each month/packet.

[Briony]

Awwwww, you poor thing; that's such a shame. Had really hoped this could help you. How bad is  your head? If it's worse than you would normally have, you should stop straight away and see your doctor. If it's more niggling/fuzzy, then it's likely it will only be temporary.I think I had it for the first month only (on patches it lasted longer - not sure why). Why not  take pain killers, give it 24 hours and then re-evaluate? If you can get to day 26, then the prog will stop for nearly a week which will give you a break. Xx

[GypsyRoseLee]

Totally agree with Briony. 24 hours can make all the difference in this game.

Take some Anadin Extra to get rid of the headache then see how you feel over the rest of the weekend? Easier typed than done, as I very well know. I am my own worst enemy when it comes to weathering side effects.

[Chi chi]

I didn't take my Qlaira last night, if I have to put up with feeling like I have with the headaches and such each month when the prog kicks in I don't feel it's worth it  I'm used to headaches every day but these are different, it's like a sinus type but like I'm drugged (mildly) like the kind you get when starting or reducing AD's
I didn't sleep too well last night, could be because I had a nap late afternoon (head was banging), hubby snoring or because I didn't take the Qlaira? But I woke without a fuzzy heavy head, anxiety's bubbling away still though and my mood is still quite low and we've got a family meal tomorrow which I'm dreading 
As the afternoons gone on the horrible headaches come back.
I suppose I'll be having a withdrawal bleed pretty soon so will see how I feel, at the moment I have no idea what my plan of action is or what to try next? Maybe a different AD?

[Briony]

Don't be surprised if you get no bleed, or very little. I rarely bled on Qlaira - not when I was supposed to, anyway!

I think it would do you good to 'cleanse' your system of all the different hormones it has recently had, but don't leave it too long. I got a KingKong headache after a week 

Sorry if I am asking the same question again, but what hrt have you tried and what worked best and least? Have you ever tried entirely bio identical? I am beginning to realise my body tolerates natural far better than synthetic medication. Maybe youre the same?

If you do switch ADs, remember you may have to withdraw from one and then risk potential side effects of the new one before you'd feel the benefit. In the long run, it could be helpful, but short to mid term, you'd have to think about how you might feel. Were you ok when you first started the ones you now take?

B x