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Tinkerbell

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Utrogestan help please
« on: November 13, 2015, 01:16:44 PM »

Sorry, I have had some great advice here but am still confused!

Been prescribed 100mg Utrogestan to be taken every day with Estradot 50mg patch.

I have decided I want to use this vaginally, doctor suggested this if I had side effects.

I had my last period in March.

I am confused as to why she has said everyday as I am not post menopause and am worried that by not having a bleed the womb lining will build up.
Please can someone explain in simple terms for me how it all works!

Thank you, I really do not know what I would do without the help on this forum.
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honeybun

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Re: Utrogestan help please
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2015, 02:45:41 PM »

If you take progesterone daily then this stops the lining of the womb building up so there is no need for a bleed.....nothing to come away. It's called a conti regime as opposed to a Sequi regime.

However....how old are you and were you still having a regular cycle before you went into HRT.
You generally have to be without a period for 12 months before you go onto a conti regime. There are exceptions. I'm one of them. I was on a Sequi patch for two years but eventually had break through bleeding. My GP changed me to a conti regime and that solved the problem. I was only 52 though so quite young for that. I checked with Dr Currie to make sure this was ok and was told yes it was fine. She said it was kind of like being on a no bleed contraceptive pill.

Hope this helps a bit.

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Greenfields

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Re: Utrogestan help please
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2015, 03:08:47 PM »

The other alternative is to take the 100mgs for 25 days, then have a 3 day break which allows time for a bleed if one needs to happen. You'll see this option given on the leaflet inside the pack.

If you're not confident about taking it daily, this is a good compromise. We've definitely had people on here who've said they never get a bleed on the 25 day regime.

Yes I've never had a bleed on this regime.

But Tinkerbell why don't you ring and talk to your Dr as to why she has prescribed it this way for you?  And then you will get a definitive answer.

I'm on the Evorel 50 and the 100mg Utrogestan but I take it for 25 days (I change the Evorel patches twice a week). It's completely changed my life - I am so much better now :)
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Mary G

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Re: Utrogestan help please
« Reply #3 on: November 13, 2015, 03:26:32 PM »

I'm impressed, it seems that more doctors are suddenly prescribing Utrogestan and oestrogen gel! 

I was also told I could use 100mg Utrogestan every day which would equate to continuous combined HRT but I had to stop for two reasons.  Firstly, I am intolerant to all progesterone (except my own) so I have since found out that my use has to be limited.  Secondly, it didn't work and I started having monthly periods despite taking the Utrogestan every day but there is no reason why you should have any of these problems. 

I really envy those who can make the continuous combined method work, it is far better not to get a bleed.  I would definitely give it a try and if you take Utrogestan vaginally, it has fewer side effects like breast pain and it is also more effective because it hits the spot and gets straight into the womb where needed.
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Tinkerbell

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Re: Utrogestan help please
« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2015, 03:31:44 PM »

honeybun..... I am 52, had a period September 2014, January and March 2015
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Tinkerbell

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Re: Utrogestan help please
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2015, 03:36:14 PM »

I don't mind having a bleed if it is safer to do that.

I am also confused as to why some ladies take it for 200mg for 12 days.
Is the different prescribing to do with doctor's different preferences?
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honeybun

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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2015, 04:03:06 PM »

As I said, Dr Currie told me that a no bleed regime is fine at that age.

I much prefer to have no periods. I did try Utrogestan at one point and had terrible heavy bleeding and awful pain. I was using it vaginally and it also caused bladder irritation.

It doesn't suit everyone and I use Evorel Conti with no problems. In fact I now just use half a patch and that's enough to control my symptoms.

We are all different though.

I agree that you should call and ask your GP. We can give personal experiences but we shouldn't actually advise you on what's best....only a GP can do that.

Let us know what happens.

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Tinkerbell

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Re: Utrogestan help please
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2015, 04:12:07 PM »

Yes, I will phone and get more advice from doctor especially since pharmacist questioned it.

But thank you all for your replies, I feel I have a better understanding of how it works now.
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Hurdity

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Re: Utrogestan help please
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2015, 05:45:43 PM »

Mary G - Tinkerbell has been prescribed Estradot not gel - but the important thing is that they are prepared to prescribe Utrogestan separately from the oestrogen  :)

Stellajane - before utrogestan was available some of us who didn't want to use synthetic progestogens used Cyclogest pessaries (also natural progesterone) for years but unfortunately these were only licensed for fertility treatment and not HRT, even though my GP for example prescribed it to me. That's the main difference and was a leap forward :). I still don't know why these could not also be licensed as an official vaginal/rectal preparation? I presume there are insufficient studies and the manufacturers aren;t prepared to pay for these due to limited demand  :-\

Re the cycle vs not a cycle. It isn't doctor's preferences (well not GPs anyway) - as has been said - 200 mg for 12 days is for a cycle - it is usual to maintain a cycle during peri-menopause (ie less than 12 months without period) and some women choose to maintain a cycle even when post-menopausal, as discussed due to progesterone intolerance or aversion.

The converse is not the case. It is not normal (so I understand) to be prescribed continuous combined  (no-bleed) HRT unless you are post-menopausal when you start, (or after a certain length of time on sequi HRT, or after age 54). As honeybun says during late peri there may be exceptions and especially if the woman has barely had any periods over the past couple of years. The problem with conti HRT before menopause is reached is that any periods that happen may cause unpredictable breakthrough bleeding. This may be less likely with some of the stronger synthetic progestogens like norethisterone (in Evorel conti) but may be more likely with Utrogestan, although much more is absorbed when used vaginally.

I agree with Stellajane - I would take it with the 3 day break.

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Tinkerbell

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Re: Utrogestan help please
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2015, 06:18:53 PM »

Thank you Huridty

Sorry, but are you able to explain why some ladies are prescribed it over 12 days and others over 25.
Also if I take it over 25 days and have a bleed does that mean lining is not building up?

 The consultant I saw back in the summer has made me overly anxious about endometrial cancer!
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Nina

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« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2015, 08:08:06 PM »

It's age mostly. Youngers sequi (12) Olders conti (25)

Unless you're me, who at 43 took it for 25 days.
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