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[CLKD]

can anyone explain what the difference is  we were watching a programme about Edward Jenner and cow pox and I still don't understand it 

[Limpy]

It occurred to me that injections aren't always involved, some vaccinations were administered via sugar lumps, so off to Wikipedia

"Vaccination is the administration of antigenic material (a vaccine) to stimulate an individual's immune system to develop adaptive immunity to a pathogen."

[CLKD]

Thanks.  Why do cats/dogs require annual boosters  ? when humans don't in general unless they are travelling to countries where disease is rife?

[CLKD]

It is known that dogs in particular can have adverse reactions to their first jabs  [what vets don't tell you about vaccinations]. 

I never understood the difference between 'live' and not jabs either 

[Limpy]

Thanks.  Why do cats/dogs require annual boosters  ? when humans don't in general unless they are travelling to countries where disease is rife?

Just guessing - Some pathogens can change over time?

[honeybun]

I have not got a clue but having watched a pup die of distemper I would never chance that happening to mine....so every year and my little one is 13 this year ....I turn up for her boosters.
One of my best friends is a vet....my question to her was...do you have your dogs immunised. The answer was yes....so if it's good enough for her dog then it's good enough for mine.

I asked my GP the same question with regards to MMR. We had kids of the same age...she got her children immunised and I was convinced I was doing the right thing.
My sons MMR was not hugely successful and he had what was considered to be mild measles...I have never seen him so ill. I got him done again.

My neice who is pregnant ....this week is getting a whooping cough vaccine and also a polio booster.

We are so very lucky in this country with what we have offered to us and....I'm going to get shot down here...but who cares.....any parent who does not have their child vaccinated should feel shame.

Ok mega rant over 


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[CLKD]

Unless there are complications.  After age about 9/10 pets shouldn't require boostering.  Their immune systems should be OK by that age.  When my pet was undergoing chemotherapy she was due her boosters and the Vet. told me to forget about them. 

It took several years for Jenner's immunisation suggestions to be accepted by the medical profession.   Anyone been to the Museum?

[Limpy]

Er, so it's not necessary to be immunised against Polio?
Or Smallpox, yes, I can see that's easily fought off.

What about Rubella, that's another one that's not a problem, except for the for woman who happens tp be pregnant and encounters somebody with german measles.

Re Jenner's ideas on immunisation taking several years to be accepted by the medical profession - that was 1796 - not surprised it took time, things may have progressed a bit since then 

[CLKD]

I was talking about pets Limpy 

I had all the childhood diseases apart from mumps ……. apparently I had German measles without being aware; we did have strawberry rash one Summer so that might have been it, but it shows on blood tests that I did have a dose.  I don't know of anyone who suffered complications although we didn't have media coverage in the same way.  Polio was rife when I was growing up so several children in School had callipers etc.. 

Smallpox is 'dead' fortunately, apart from the 2 samples kept 'for research purposes' ……..

Since getting rid of many of these disease however, things like HIV-Aids and [brain fade here] the 1 which was killing people earlier this year 

My original query is: what the difference means in the terminology. 

[honeybun]

Anyone who has had a child with measles or whooping cough would be beating down a doctors door to fix things.
My neice had whooping cough as a baby. She was not vaccinated as in those days you had to have a family medical background and as she wad adopted there was no choice ...not to have her done. She was so very ill. I helped look after her to give my sister some sleep. It was horrible.

Sorry CLKD ...your vet probably told you no vaccinations as it would have been too much for a dog undergoing chemotherapy to tolerate. Not much point 

As for other dogs.....yes very worth while. Parvovirus and distemper are still there and killers....why take a chance when there is no need.


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[CLKD]

My 3 cousins had whooping cough all at the same time [1966].  It really is a 'whoop'  …….. no vaccinations for it then.  My nephews didn't get it due to some medical issue on their Father's side …….

[honeybun]

Yep whoop and then they are sick. Makes having a healthy child very hard, they don't keep much down.

The reason my niece is having a whooping cough vaccine in the latter weeks of her pregnancy is because it's on the increase again and if she has it then her immunity passes to baby for long enough until he can have his own immunisation. Same with polio. Hubby and I were both given polio  vaccines just after our kids had theirs as it passes out of the body and into nappies 
Heck it tastes bad and makes you feel rough.


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[Scampi]

CLKD - the difference is lost in the mists of time, and is quite complicated!  The term 'vaccination' originally appeared because Jenner used cowpox (vacca meaning cow) to immunise against smallpox.

If you look up 'innoculation' on Wikipedia, there's a pretty comprehensive explanation of the terms 'innoculation', 'vaccination' and 'immunisation'.  If you're interested it's worth a read.

[CLKD]

   I did try to read it ……. however meno-brain couldn't take it in!