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jedigirl

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Re: Better on progesterone?
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2015, 02:42:19 PM »

Millykin, yes i notice my skin and hair same, both dry, hair thinner and lacklustre. Interesting we have same weight issue too. I wonder if this is a symptom of estrogen/progesterone imbalance?
I'm at docs next Thursday so will ask about conti Femoston though my doctors not very clued up re menopause at all. I have a womens health counsellor who i see next week, will ask her too.
Take care x
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Millykin

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Re: Better on progesterone?
« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2015, 12:48:40 PM »

I couldn't stand the progesterone when I was on Elleste duet horrible but Femoston is great. Is the prog in Utrogestan similar to our own?
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jedigirl

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Re: Better on progesterone?
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2015, 10:04:38 AM »

Hi Stellajane, thanks for your posts.
Would using Utrogestan in that way be okay for someone who is peri?
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Dancinggirl

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Re: Better on progesterone?
« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2015, 10:20:04 AM »

You need to be post meno to use Utrogestan continuously but, as I mentioned before, if you use the oestrogen in gel or patch form it might no cause the nausea. DG x
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jedigirl

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Re: Better on progesterone?
« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2015, 10:29:31 AM »

Thanks dancinggirl, I don't think the nausea is caused by the regime of hrt I'm on, rather the fact that I don't have enough progesterone so feel awful when it drops even more on estrogen stage  :(
this is confusing, do i need more progesterone, less estrogen, both?
sorry if i'm not making sense, not feeling too positive today, going for a walk to try and sort myself a bit x :)
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Briony

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Re: Better on progesterone?
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2015, 10:38:14 AM »

I am another one who prefers the progesterone phase . I also think my nausea is worse when my estrogen is dropping. What I hate is the mental drop when my body realises the progesterone has been stopped (usually end of period time) when I get PMT symptoms(!). My spots appear, I get tearful and just feel yuck. I am considering a swap to Qlaira as the regime has longer with progesterone and it uses the same estrogen as HRT, unlike all other pills. I considered the Mirena too, but have heard too many negative stories (especially for women who've not given birth). X
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Dancinggirl

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Re: Better on progesterone?
« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2015, 10:50:53 AM »

Hi both
If you haven't tried other types of progesterone then I'd be careful, as with the more testosterone based progesterones you may find you feel very different on these. I freely admit I am out of my depth when it comes to the exact science how these hormones work but I know oestrogen is the important one in terms of controlling meno syptoms and protecting our heart and bones.  Maybe you both have too little oestrogen to keep these symptoms under control?!!! I am currently taking Utrogestan with Oestrogen gel and actually I'm feeling the same with or without the Utrogestan.  When I used other progesterones I definitely didn't feel so good.
I still think transdermal rather than pill oestrogen might help
Good luck.  DG x
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Rowan

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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2015, 10:57:55 AM »

Some interesting info about progesterone and bloodpressure (hypertention)

http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/37/1/142.full

I think we may still need it post menopause.
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jedigirl

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Re: Better on progesterone?
« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2015, 11:49:26 AM »

Thanks all,
am also interested in Qlaira, might start a new thread on it. There seems to be a higher dose of progesterone in it but still some estradiol.
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Hurdity

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Re: Better on progesterone?
« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2015, 12:07:03 PM »

Hi jedigirl

No wonder you are confused! You are peri-menopausal and there is also a lot of information out there - some of it contradictory, and some of it not corroborated by scientific evidence from trials.

Did you read the article on peri-menopause on this site?

The most difficult thing is that your cycle and hormones are fluctuating and you are also taking HRT so it is difficult to determine what symptoms you are feeling are related to your own cycle and what to the HRT. Unfortunately this uncertain state of affairs will continue somewhat until your cycle weakens and your own oestrogen levels fall so that HRT can do its job.

The other thing to bear in mind is the natural menstrual cycle - we are biologically programmed to feel at our best increasingly towards the midpoint of the cycle when ovulation takes place. This is when oestrogen is "dominant". Oestrogen then decreases (apart from a bit if a blip) and progesterone increases. Some women don't feel any serious adverse effects from the progesterone increase which causes physiological changes in the body. However most women do notice the effects of the sudden decline in progesterone ( as well as the oestrogen) which together cause the  main symptoms of pmt just before the period and overlapping with its start. As members on here have noted in their natural cycle - when the progesterone has gone and the oestrogen starts to rise, it is like a cloud lifting.

HRT is a crude way of reproducing this effect - without the complex interplay of all the other hormones and the balance in our endocrine system as happens naturally. It is not ideal - and especially when you are peri-menopausal and your own cycle kicks in. The "better on progesterone" effect that many women are reporting on here is a result of the normal pmt caused by progesterone withdrawal and the associated reversal of the physiological changes that occur in the last week or so of the menstrual cycle. It is not the oestrogen causing these symptoms.

My bet is that most of you who are feeling this - if you were on a longer cycle, you would soon be feeling even better on the oestrogen only phase. It is normal pmt - not caused by the absence of progesterone, but the physiological effects of the change in levels (it has been likened to withdrawal from a drug - especially with HRT).

As I said HRT does not exactly reproduce the same effects as our endogenous hormones (ie the ones we produce).

I can't say what's happening in your case and your cycle - and I don't think anyone can, but for the time being I would keep to the same dose for a while. The crucial thing is - does the Femoston 1/10 deal with your flushes and sweats? If so then it is likely to be the right dose of oestrogen for the time being, if your cycle is still strong.

I agree with Dancinggirl that you may well get fewer side effects from transdermal HRT.

Hope this helps!

Hurdity x
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Suzyq

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« Reply #25 on: January 18, 2015, 12:33:42 PM »

I am in peri but use conti method with utrogestan. You do not have to e post meno. I have had very low progesterone since the age of 43 which caused me loads of problems even when estrogen was fine!
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Briony

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« Reply #26 on: January 18, 2015, 08:14:23 PM »

Mid way through my period and feel awful - tired, nauseous, spotty, dull headache and crawling ants feeling in my shoulder. Up to now, I have been blaming the drop in progesterone (I always feel better when I am in weeks 3 and 4, not at ovulation). However, judging from what some of you have suggested, perhaps I just need to be taking more estrogen? I am so tempted to add half a patch tonight (currently on Evorel 50). Do you reckon that would be OK? I'd like to try an extended regime with 100mg of Utrogestan, though not sure what my partner would say (I take it vaginally as I always eat late!).  ;)
Thanks for listening and especially for the patience of those more experienced ladies when us newbies don't understand things you've explained before. I'm sure I am guilty of this!  :-\ xx
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Greyhoundgal

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« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2015, 01:22:13 PM »

greyhoundgal, thank you, are you post or perimenopause? Can you take conti if yr peri?
Sorry, not been on for a few days........ My nurse seemed to think that I was possibly post now and having been on sequi for a few years said it was ok for me to swap over to the conti.  Still Femoston but now the 1/5 and so far it's suiting me very well.
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jedigirl

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Re: Better on progesterone?
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2015, 04:34:45 PM »

Thanks all,
suzyq, can i ask what problems you had that indicated you were low on progesterone and how did you have it measured? x
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Briony

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Re: Better on progesterone?
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2015, 06:26:16 PM »

Was just browsing 'low progesterone symptoms' in the light of some of the comments made in this thread, and came across this article. It's a bit long winded, but does provide a slightly different perspective. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3987489/
I'm beginning to wonder if this explains why some of us enjoy being on the progesterone phase so much?
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