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[rosebud57]

Yes, but some of the more recent post have been an attack on muslims in general.

That's xenophobia.

That's toxic.

As I said before 'Fanaticism is the enemy, not faith'

 

[Rowan]

I see no attack on Muslims in general on this thread.

Terrorism causes outrage and anger in all people, Muslims included men, women and children are being killed too even in their own countries.

This is the nature of Terrorism to cause fear, anger and confusion, they are an invisible and sometime insidious enemy, how do you fight that?

Our Security and Intelligent Services are trying to fight it 24/7 worldwide, I hope they can succeed in keeping us safe.


 

[rosebud57]

Silverlady, you must be reading different posts to me. 

I have found at least 3 which are attacking muslims in general.

Please prove me wrong, if you can.

Remember the policeman who was shot in Paris was a muslim, and his family are asking for unity.

[Limpy]

Rosebud - I commented on Islam not Muslims.
I find the points highlighted from the Koran distasteful in the extreme. I'm sure the bible and other books of faith have unpleasant things as well. Don't know whether they sanction the killing of those with a different point of view.

[rosebud57]

I think you will find Limpy that you cannot have a Muslim without Islam.

It's like having a Christian without Christianity, or a Jew without Judaism.

I have no time for religion. 

However, the fanatics that become terrorists are a very small proportion.

Don't let them breed hate and tar all Muslims with the same brush.

The far right in Paris have started to use the attacks as a weapon against all Muslims.

That's another danger, as the stirring of hatred will bring about more attacks, from all sides.

We have to show the terrorists we are better than them. 

[Rowan]

Try to show you are better then them, they will laugh in your face. Fight them, this is what they want!

Terrorists not just Islamic Extremists won't respond to anything you do, this is the huge problem the World has to face.

Its an age old problem in a modern world.

[rosebud57]

Why do you want to 'do what they want' ?

I won't be forced into doing anything a terrorist would want.

[Tabbycat]

It is mutilation …….. medically and emotionally, my point being that the UK is not good at watching our borders for those leaving so how are we going to be watching for those attempting to come in 'with intent' …….

I agree with you, it's mutilation. I realise you were talking about a different issue but I took your comment out of context to demonstrate how we MUST be able to criticise cultures/beliefs/religions.

Problem is, terrorism all boils down to power and politics - it rarely has anything to do with religion or beliefs. I'm happy to be corrected but I think most terrorists are recruited from poorly educated, low achievers who want to feel important. They're radicalised by people who have a political agenda, not a religious one. Once recruited, these terrorists are expendable, easily manipulated and there are plenty of them - in other words, they're perfect soldiers.

I'm not for a minute excusing what they do but killing them, imprisoning them, trying to stop them entering whatever country they're targeting, isn't going to achieve much in the long term.

What would go a long way is Muslim communities everywhere speaking out, not just to condemn the acts of terrorism (which they're already doing) but to support the right to free speech and everything that comes with it.

[honeybun]

I suspect that some of my posts are being referred to as xenophobic. So in the interest of clarity, I do not have any issues with law abiding people of any creed or colour.
What I do have issues with is terrorists be they Muslim or the IRA or anyone who brings death and destruction in any part of the world.

I would still like to see any person who has gone to fight abroad for any terrorist organisation stripped of British citizenship and not allowed back into this country ever again. I read in the paper today that David Cameron wants to do just that and is being told by the EU that would breach the terrorists human rights. At every turn he is blocked. America have successfully imprisoned Abu Hanza for life for terrorist activities. Most of the evidence that convicted him came from this country yet we spend millions just trying to get him out of Britain.

All these things add up and we are seen as a soft target.

So xenophobic , most definitely not but passionately against terror in our country most definitely yes and in favour of whatever it takes to get this savage behaviour stopped.


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[Tabbycat]

The far right in Paris have started to use the attacks as a weapon against all Muslims.

The political far right is the West's most dangerous weakness, and therefore the one that terrorists will exploit. How can multicultural societies stand in unison when the far right want to tear them apart? Just take a look at what Farage said about the Paris attacks: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/charlie-hebdo-nick-clegg-dismayed-at-nigel-farage-blaming-gross-policy-of-multiculturalism-9964810.html

[CLKD]

In WWII, anyone not British was imprisoned - many on the Isle of Man which I didn't realise until read a novel about 10 years ago …….. and Italians/Germans were put under house arrest or imprisoned. 

There have always and will always be those who disagree with the main stream …….. whether it's as technology progresses or in these recent cases, because they have a need to control.  It's the use of religion as an excuse/reason that makes me angry!

[Rowan]

I agree with everything HB has said.

I also think that "Human Rights Bill" should not be applied to cold blooded murderers who plot to kill innocent men, women and children for whatever reason.

They have taken away the human rights of the people they have slaughtered.

"Whereas recognition of the inherent dignity and of the equal and inalienable rights of all members of the human family is the foundation of freedom, justice and peace in the world"

I wonder if this should be rethought now as we certainly have not learned anything since it was implemented after the Second World War.

[CLKD]

Mans need to control goes way before WWII.  Think Crusades ………. 'us' against 'them' 

Sadly, Jews have been moving out of France in droves since 2012 …….. some into the UK and US, others to Israel ………. the World is once more, on the move 

[Limpy]

Well said SL & HB

[CLKD]

I've seen parts of 'Animal Farm' in a film …… enough to put me off reading the book and I don't need to read a book to know it's scarey.

How do you feel about the 'heads of state' going to Paris today ………. it makes me angry, the Security Forces have enough to deal with right now