Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Advanced search  

News:

Menopause Matters magazine ISSUE 57 out now. (September 2019)

twitter facebook instagram blogger

Pages: 1 ... 139 140 [141] 142 143

Author Topic: utrogestan/estrogel support group  (Read 288460 times)

Birdy

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2811
Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #2100 on: September 13, 2019, 02:00:32 PM »

Thank you!
Logged

Tyaca

  • First Flush
  • *
  • Posts: 5
Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #2101 on: September 14, 2019, 06:50:02 AM »

Quick question: Does anyone get on well with the conti regime of 25 days of 100mg, then 3 days off?

I had a small amount of bleeding yesterday (day 14.  utrogestan days 1 - 10) was hoping that would help but I have woken up again with horrific morning dread.  I've been reading back through this thread (love this thread!) and I didn't get any of the negative effects people talk about when taking utrogestan.

I guess I just have to wait and see how I settle down on this regime.  I'll start a diary and see how this works for three months (which is when next apptmnt is). The regime has been good for me so far.  I guess nothing's perfect, it's just trying to work out what  the compromises I'll have to make are.
Logged

Dotty

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1798
Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #2102 on: September 14, 2019, 07:08:50 AM »

Hi Tyaca

Are you post menopause? If so you can take the Utrogestan every day without a break x
« Last Edit: September 14, 2019, 04:03:06 PM by Dotty »
Logged

Tc

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1745
Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #2103 on: September 14, 2019, 12:35:59 PM »

I couldnt take it continuously. But that might have been because my eastrogen was so low I ended up with an imbalance.

I only used 100mg last night vaginally. And I dont feels shaky and sick this morning  but I'm supposed to be using 200mg for 12 days so I ts not a long term solution.  if I can only get to 7 days on 100mg that's too risky on 200 patch. .
I've had a bit of a realisation that I've come to the end of the road with utrogestan.  I've been on it best part of this year.  If I took anything else I had such a bad reaction to I wouldve stopped ages ago but I think with HRT I have tried to carry on as I feel I need the eastrogen.

. I need to listen a bit more to my body and stop trying to force something on it which it obviously hates.

So hopefully I will get an alternative.

Xxx
Logged

westie

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 206
Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #2104 on: September 14, 2019, 03:29:07 PM »

Hi tc

I confess I havenít read the whole of this thread soo could be missing something fundamental from your situation but your last post really struck a chord with me.

I take 100mg utrogestan for 12 days a month. I am post meno but because I had an endometrial ablation some years ago, 100mg was prescribed on the basis that I donít have of a womb lining. Thing is , it is making me feel so awful, I am waking at night with what can only be described s adrenal rushes , I canít get back to sleep and even if I do I wake in the morning still shaken . I take 2 pumps of Estrogel which has definitely helped a bit but I am not sure if it has bought my levels up sufficiently and maybe that is why I react so badly with the utrogestan phase. I really donít know. I go round and round in circles trying to work it all out.

I donít want to give up on HRT but if I carry on like this I will seriously consider it.

W x
Logged

Ladybt28

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1082
Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #2105 on: September 14, 2019, 04:00:15 PM »

Hi Westie, the surges can be due to lack of oestrogen.  I need 4 pumps of gel and 12 days of utro to stop my anxiety and panic attacks and control my other symptoms and I have a womb and ovaries.  2 pumps is the base dose, I think your levels are not high enough. I suggest that you up the pumps and see what happens.  When I get to day 7/8 I start to feel bad on utro...a bit low and tired but I know it will stop soon.

Tc - 7 days on 100mg vaginally - keep going.  There are ladies who are on high oestrogen and less progesterone than the prescribed dose.  I believe it can be done under supervision.  Now you have gone this far, keep going a little longer, otherwise you will be on Provera or a mirina coil and I think you tried Provera already and the result wasn't good?   Forget what you are "supposed to to".  Work out, within reason (and 7 days 100mg vaginally is within reason) what and how long you body can take and then go to your consultant and say that you want to do this,  why you want to do t and that you need supervision, scans etc.  You say you are less shaky...you know it will take a while to settle.  3 months of 7 days 100mg may but only may cause a build up but nothing dangerous and it could easily be fixed (with a big nasty dose) but you won't get cancer, or do anything which will cause long term damage from 3 months. xx
Logged

Hurdity

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 11148
Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #2106 on: September 14, 2019, 06:59:00 PM »

I couldnt take it continuously. But that might have been because my eastrogen was so low I ended up with an imbalance.

I only used 100mg last night vaginally. And I dont feels shaky and sick this morning  but I'm supposed to be using 200mg for 12 days so I ts not a long term solution.  if I can only get to 7 days on 100mg that's too risky on 200 patch. .
I've had a bit of a realisation that I've come to the end of the road with utrogestan.  I've been on it best part of this year.  If I took anything else I had such a bad reaction to I wouldve stopped ages ago but I think with HRT I have tried to carry on as I feel I need the eastrogen.

. I need to listen a bit more to my body and stop trying to force something on it which it obviously hates.

So hopefully I will get an alternative.

Xxx

I agree with Ladybt regarding the "supposed to be...". Yes theoretically you need to be taking the max dose of prog with that high-sounding dose of oestrogen (the 200 mcg) but if your blood tests have shown you are not absorbing it fully then this means your womb lining will presumably not be building, and therefore the 200 mcg patch is not actually that high - for you. Also you are in surgical menopause which is a different situation. From what I've read on here many such women need a higher (sounding) dose just to get levels up to the same as some of us (with ovaries) might achieve on much lower doses.

Like Ladybt says if you can get to a bit longer on the utro (100 mg vag) then that's great. As long as yuou are beng monitored is the main thing when going off-lcience ( ie less than recommended) if the bleed is OK and your lining stays within normal limits then that's OK....

Hurdity x
Logged

Johanna 4185

  • First Flush
  • *
  • Posts: 1
Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #2107 on: September 14, 2019, 08:21:14 PM »

Hi am I safe going on this hrt, I have androgenic alopecia and have an appointment at menopause clinic soon and they prescribe utrogestan / estrogel, i kept my hair stable for sometime using minoxodil,use to take angeliq but came of it 4years ago, but now I'm having terrible  symptoms getting worse, anxiety  bad but dont want my hair to get bad again.
Logged

westie

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 206
Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #2108 on: September 14, 2019, 10:01:26 PM »

Hi Westie, the surges can be due to lack of oestrogen.  I need 4 pumps of gel and 12 days of utro to stop my anxiety and panic attacks and control my other symptoms and I have a womb and ovaries.  2 pumps is the base dose, I think your levels are not high enough. I suggest that you up the pumps and see what happens.  When I get to day 7/8 I start to feel bad on utro...a bit low and tired but I know it will stop soon.


Thanks ladybt28 I think you are right as the two pumps have definitely helped some things- flushes, night sweats etc but not the more troublesome symptoms of anxiety etc. I will try upping the dose and see how I go.

W xx
Logged

Sammiejane

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 134
Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #2109 on: September 15, 2019, 05:29:27 PM »

Johanna 4185

Iíve been on estrogel and I have to say did cause me thinning scalp hair but everyone is different but it helped everything else Iíve just swapped to a patch to try and combat hairloss but Iíve been shedding more on the estradot patch Iíve had uterus and ovaries removed so donít have progesterone but everyone thinks u have easier ride when u just take estrogen but believe me u donít cause u have no balance Iím seriously wanting to add progesterone to balance things
Logged

Tc

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1745
Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #2110 on: September 15, 2019, 07:46:38 PM »

Hiya. Just to say thanks to those who replied for putting my mind at rest about taking enough progesterone. I had a scan last week so I am being monitored.

I havent tried provera. I believe it might not be any better in terms of migraine though.

I'm plowing on with 100. Night 5 and counting !!

I had a migraine so havent been on til now but just seen  I had replies so thank you. Xx
Logged

Tracey E

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 220
Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #2111 on: September 16, 2019, 10:00:52 AM »

I've been googling around trying to determine if my switch to putting Estrogel on my inner thighs instead of inner forearms is a factor in my fat growth in my thighs. Found this, written by a naturopath, in an article about cellulite:

Premenopausal women with too much estrogen tend to have the pear-shape body type with more weight at the hips. The reason for this comes down to fat, both the type and the amount. Consider that women have almost nine times the amount of alpha receptors for every one beta receptor in their hip and thigh region. When stimulated, alpha receptors cause fat cells to produce fat, while beta receptors breakdown fat. This is also the area with the most estrogen receptors.

I'm going to revert to application on forearms after a two-week break from Estrogel. Will continue Utrogestan three times a week (I had recently reduced it to two times but think that wasn't enough opposition to oestrogen). Will post again if there's any noticeable difference. You never know, someone else might be accumulating more fat on hips and thighs too by applying the gel to inner thighs.

I had been applying estrogel to my thighs and have developed little fat pockets on the inside. I've never had any cellulite there before and I'm not overweight either. Hope this helps. :)
Logged
Prof Studds 7 day regime: Utrogestan (100mg) and Estrogel 1.5 pump. Post menopausal.

Hurdity

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 11148
Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #2112 on: September 16, 2019, 01:26:45 PM »

Quick question: Does anyone get on well with the conti regime of 25 days of 100mg, then 3 days off?

I had a small amount of bleeding yesterday (day 14.  utrogestan days 1 - 10) was hoping that would help but I have woken up again with horrific morning dread.  I've been reading back through this thread (love this thread!) and I didn't get any of the negative effects people talk about when taking utrogestan.

I guess I just have to wait and see how I settle down on this regime.  I'll start a diary and see how this works for three months (which is when next apptmnt is). The regime has been good for me so far.  I guess nothing's perfect, it's just trying to work out what  the compromises I'll have to make are.

Glad to hear the regime is working for you so far. It's a good sign that you did not experience the negative side effects while taking it that others do. Do update us with your diary experiences and hope all continues to go well :)

Hurdity x
Logged

Sammiejane

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 134
Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #2113 on: September 16, 2019, 02:31:06 PM »

Hi all

I also developed fat deposits on thighs from estrogel and since swapping to patch 4 days ago the fat deposits havenít gone yet but will they does anyone know ?

Also I wasnít obsorbing the gel very well on my thighs would I do better applying to my arms should I end up going back on the gel as not doing great on patch and have to up to 75 to get rid of flushes and VA is worse hair loss worse. Will I get fat deposits on my arms too ?

How long does it take to see benefit or not in hairloss when swapping estrogen.
Logged

winnie1967

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 10
Re: utrogestan/estrogel support group
« Reply #2114 on: September 16, 2019, 02:36:02 PM »

Hi, just to say thanks, seemed to work well for my holiday.....I'm carrying on taking the utrogestan vaginally I think, seems less hassle!
Still not sure if they're helping tbh, but I'm persevering.... actually my hot sweats and flushes have lessened, but nothing else yet!
Thanks 🙂
Hi Winnie1967
I use my pumps of oestrogel in the morning and take my utrogestan vaginally at night.  I didn't pay any attention to the patient leaflet!  ;)  I read about all the ladies experiences on this forum and worked out that lots did it differently - some split doses of oestrogel, some do them all at once, some wait for it to dry others rub it in hard.  Doesn't matter just do what works for you.

Yep you are right vaginal utrogestan bypasses the stomach so no need to worry whether its empty or not!  Go and enjoy your holiday - use your pumps earlier in the day and the utro vaginally at night....eat drink be merry...have a lovely time!
It will all be perfectly fine! x
Logged
Pages: 1 ... 139 140 [141] 142 143